>Could you elaborate a little on how the Moab paper compares to Epson >velvet fine art in texture and brightness? I don't have a sample handy, but the Velvet Fine Art, as I recall, is a cotton paper with the EEM coating -- but it has more texture, almost like Somerset Velvet. Compared to EEM, the Moab paper actually has a brighter coating. Strange that the newest "non-optical-brightened" papers have coatings that are, according to the "visual" reading of my X-Rite, brighter than OB'd papers. In normal viewing in my office with fluorescent lights, I still think the OB-brighten PhotoRag is whiter, but the Moab and PremierArt papers are brighter than EEM. The Moab paper is very smooth. The texture on the surface is barely more than with EEM. It's very close to the smooth side of Eclipse Satine. By the way, the OB's version of Moab's Entrada Fine Art has an extremely white, cool surface, reading the same 0.02 visual brightness, but with the yellow channel reading a -0.01. It's reading is the same as Eclipse Satine Bright White (smooth side), but I'd say the Eclipse still looks just a hair brighter under fluorescent lights. In general, the brightened Moab paper looks very much like Eclipse Satine. Both print cold compared to others. A "medium-warm" PremierArt curve would produce a neutral print on Entrada Fine Art (brightened -- the other has "Natural" in the name) and Eclipse. I'll make one today if time permits. I just printed an Eclipse Satine and found that it reached 1.64 dmax, compared to the 1.61 I'm getting with the Entrada papers. This higher Eclipse dmax rather surprised me in light of past performances, but it's not just my X-Rite. The Eclipse 100% black patch looks slightly darker also. (I'm printing with Ultra Tone inks with the Eboni black [same as Cone Museum black as far as I can tell].) Again, while I would not rate these Entrada papers as my favorites, I think they are good and a very good value. I'd say they occupy the market niche that Eclipse once held. Since the Epson/PremierArt papers seem to use the same basic profiles as Entrada and Eclipse, I'll make more of this family of curves so that we have as much competition as possible in the cotton paper market. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com __________________________________________________ --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > I just printed some Moab Entrada Fine Art Natural 190. It is another cotton > paper with no optical brighteners, and the price at Inkjetgoodies might make > it about the most affordable cotton paper (now that Eclipse Satine is gone). > > There are also 300 weight and brightened versions of this paper. > > The paper looks a lot like the new Epson/PremierArt paper. The "natural," > no OB surface is, nonetheless, very bright, measuring a visual 0.02, with > yellow up 0.02, giving it a bit of a creamy appearance. The paper has the > same dmax of 1.60-1.62 with the 1280, UltraTone inks, Eboni black at 1440 > (white paper under the test sheet when reading the density). > > The UltraSmooth/PremierArt curves just posted seemed to be very close to > what this paper needs. > > I don't think they are the same paper, however. The Entrada has some > roughness in the shadow tones, and I did have some flaking of the surface. > > So, as just a very initial reaction, I'd say its another good cotton paper > option and a worthy replacement for Eclipse Satine. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Moab Entrada paper
2003-10-10 by Paul Roark
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