Digital BW, The Print

Hi Brad,

I found these helpful.  You might also:

http://home.att.net/~rwharris/DarkroomTechniquesNovDec.pdf

http://home.att.net/~rwharris/Printers.html

For my current thoughts on inks and printers, please check out my 
latest post, my 2nd.  Again, I stress the fact that I've been reading 
up on B&W printing for all of 2 days now.  Please consider everyone 
else here more informed than me.

As far a papers go, I haven't gotten too far there yet, and I realize 
that I'm probably going to have to try to get some samples or small 
quantities in order to decide for myself.  I know I'll want to print 
on a cotton-based paper, though.  Photo Rag & Museo seem like options 
I'd like to try, though I doubt they're the cheapest (but I don't 
intend to scrimp, and intend to go with as archival an ink/paper 
combination as possible).

Mike



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Brad Mol 
<bradmol99@y...> wrote:
> Hi Mike
> 
> I am getting all the messages.
> I must say there is a lot of info.
> I already own the 1280.  I have to get some type of ink set but am 
not sure
> which ones to go for  yet.
> Any suggestions which ones you are going for?
> Let me know what you go with.
> Also, any types of paper.
> I have some Epson matt paper which I now understand is better than 
gloss.
> Have you found any other papers to use?
> Best Regards.......Brad.
> 
>  
> 
> On 10/23/03 6:32 AM, "Mike Botelho" <mfractl@h...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi Brad,
> > 
> > As you can tell, I'm really doing lots of my thinking out loud and
> > doing all of my conversing in public, so you definitely have 
access
> > to any replies I've received.  Beyond that, I'm pretty much 
checking
> > out people's websites, checking out links, doing searches on the
> > subject, browsing the archives, etc.  If you are still reading 
this
> > thread, you'll see that I'm considering a 1280 and Ultra Tone 
inks to
> > start my experiments, but this is so new to me I can't guarantee 
what
> > I'll ultimately end up doing.  Plus, literally everyone else here 
has
> > a more informed opinion than I do at this point, so I suggest you
> > just stay tuned, do lots of homework, and ask questions once you 
know
> > enough to ask good ones.  At least that's my plan.
> > 
> > Good luck (to both of us)!
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Brad Mol
> > <bradmol99@y...> wrote:
> >> > Hi Mike
> >> > 
> >> > I¹m also new to the digital world and am very ignorant to 
things
> > here.
> >> > I am also looking for the best B&W printer and thought that we
> > could do this
> >> > search together and see what we can come up with.
> >> > I posted a similar notice asking those who have had experience 
to
> > give me
> >> > feedback as to what printer to use or buy, and what inks.
> >> > I need help in this area and so far have not gotten any direct
> > answer.
> >> > Let me know your feedback and I will let you know mine.
> >> > Best Regards..........Brad.
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On 10/22/03 9:37 AM, "Mike" <mfractl@h...> wrote:
> >> > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > First off, this is the first time I've posted here, so 
hello to
> >>> > > everyone.  I'm just, finally, making the switch from film to
> > digital,
> >>> > > and an unexpected by-product of this shift is that I'm
> > rediscovering
> >>> > > my love of B&W in the digital domain.  This certainly seems 
to be
> > a
> >>> > > great group for me to check out, and I assure you all that 
I'll be
> >>> > > doing a number of searches through the archives to pick up 
tips,
> > so
> >>> > > I'll attempt to avoid asking at least some of the questions 
that
> > have
> >>> > > been asked numerous times before.  Nonetheless, there's one
> > question
> >>> > > on my mind at the moment, and I thought I'd throw it out.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > I've been reading the news about the upcoming Epson 4000, 
and I've
> >>> > > read that it's supposed to acheive a DMax of 2.1 on glossy 
media
> > and
> >>> > > 1.69 on matte media.  Though I'm no expert on this subject 
yet,
> > I've
> >>> > > read that the 2200/7600/9600, with the Ultrachromes, 
acheive a
> > DMax
> >>> > > of 2.0 on glossy media and 1.69 on matte.  Obviously, this
> > suggests a
> >>> > > higher DMax on glossy for the 4000.  And, considering that 
my
> >>> > > upcoming foray into digital B&W will involve a search for 
the best
> >>> > > DMax, I find this interesting.  (Though I don't know how a 
printer
> >>> > > using the same inks/media is supposed to acheive a higher 
DMax on
> >>> > > glossy media... maybe by mixing some Matte Black in with 
the Photo
> >>> > > Black, since both inks will be available at once?)
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Obviously, I don't expect anyone to predict for me if the 
4000 is
> >>> > > going to do better in this regard than the 2200/7600/9600, 
but I
> > was
> >>> > > wondering if I could get a little input on the results 
people are
> >>> > > getting with the Ultrachromes or with inks they've 
substituted for
> >>> > > the Ultrachromes.  I've read about the MIS inks and the 
Lyson
> > inks,
> >>> > > for example, and I'm trying to get a handle on what options
> > provide
> >>> > > the highest DMax and how those options compare with results 
I'm
> > used
> >>> > > to from the traditional, wet darkroom (though it's been a 
while
> > since
> >>> > > my B&W days).
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > What I really need to do, I'm sure, is attempt to find
> > opportunities
> >>> > > to actually look at people's work that uses different inks 
and
> >>> > > media.  But, inasmuch as my decision to go digital is only 
a few
> >>> > > weeks old, and considering that my renewed focus on B&W is 
only a
> > few
> >>> > > days old, I really find myself in need of some pointers in 
the
> > right
> >>> > > direction.  Like I said, really great DMax is going to be a 
big
> > focus
> >>> > > of mine.  Which I'm sure is not uncommon.  But, anyway, I'm 
just
> >>> > > wondering if you folks are satisfied with the DMax you're 
getting
> >>> > > right now and what combination of inks & media have given 
the best
> >>> > > results for superior DMax.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > I'm reluctant to admit my ignorance, but, though I used to 
get
> > good
> >>> > > results in the darkroom, and though I used zone system 
techniques
> > in
> >>> > > some of my B&W work, I don't really relate very well to DMax
> >>> > > figures.  I'm afraid to say that I don't really know how 
figures
> > of
> >>> > > 1.69 or 2.0 or 2.1 compare to the results I was getting, so
> > they're
> >>> > > really just abstract figures until I associate them with 
something
> >>> > > visual.  Even if I did once know DMax values for the blacks 
in
> > some
> >>> > > of my old B&W prints, I'm afraid that knowledge has erroded 
over
> > the
> >>> > > years.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Anyway, sorry for rambling, and thanks for your patience.  
I'm
> > pretty
> >>> > > excited about my 'rediscovery' of B&W, so I'm sure you'll 
see me
> > here
> >>> > > more, and I really must find the time to make my way 
through much
> > of
> >>> > > the group's archives.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Regards,
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Mike
> >>> > > 
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