Digital BW, The Print

OK I downloaded the trial version... looks like it has a lot more than
elements in some respects ... but how would i load the image
adjustment curves on picture windows? - The curves are photoshop files
are they not? Or, are there Picture windows curve files around that i
might have missed? 

Also see 

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5347

this is Richard Lynch's "hidden elements" - and he has the curves as
layers ... that can be applied to images within photoshop elements... 

Altaf


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Altaf,
> 
> As far as I know, the cheapest way to be able to use the Photoshop image
> adjustment curves to control the UT and VM inksets (and others) is
to buy
> the $50 version of Picture Window 3.5.  There is a free trial
download from
> Digital Light and Color at http://www.dl-c.com/Temp/ .
> 
> It is the program I'm recommending for entry level retouching and
printing.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> ____________________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: altafb2000 [mailto:altaf@p...]
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:14 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 1280 and Quadtones....
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you Paul for this answer a few weeks back, it was very helpful,
> and clear ... so now i have another newbee question :-) I have
> Photoshop Elements - that does not appear to have "curves"
> 
> you said
> 
> >Again, it is controlled by Photoshop image adjustment curves
> > being applied to an RGB version of your file.
> 
> and the faq on the inksupply.com has a workflow that is for Adobe
> Photoshop (not elements) that assumes that you have curves -
> 
> Is there a plug in, that would allow the use of the curves that you've
> developed for the epson printer for black and white prints? Or, is
> there another option?
> 
> thanx
> 
> Altaf
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Ok,so i'm gonna get the epson 1280, and am trying to find out the
best
> > >way to get good quality black and white - ...
> > >But I'm a bit confused, on which quadtone to get, and
> > >what the differences are...
> >
> > >From the inksupply.com - I see that a couple of options are
> > >availaible: one is variable mix quadtones,
> >
> > MIS VM was the original variable-tone/mix "quad" (B&W) inkset.  What
> this
> > means is the tone/hue can be either warm, neutral or cold.
> Photoshop curves
> > applied to an RGB version of your grayscale file control the inks
> and are
> > available free on the MIS website (inksupply.com), in the Files
section
> > here, or from me or others.
> >
> > The MIS Ultra Tone inkset is the new version of the MIS VM inkset.
> It is
> > more lightfast, does not warm up significantly with light exposure
> (which
> > the older quads do), is RC paper compatible (when a "Photo" black
ink is
> > used), and has a potential for warmer images than the MIS VM inkset.
> >
> > > and the other full spectrum,
> >
> > The FS inksets are Piezo-driver-compatible inksets that comes in
either
> > medium-warm or neutral-cool versions.  It is a monotone with no
> variability
> > (aside from the slight differences one gets by using different
> papers).  The
> > FS-E series is the same ink but geared to the Epson driver and RGB
> curves
> > for controlling it.   The FS-N (neutral-cool) inkset was the first
> > non-warming quad, and was really made for the purpose of being the
> base gray
> > ink in the VM-S inkset.
> >
> > > and then there is Sepia tone
> >
> > The MIS VM-S is a variable-tone/mix inkset that has a range of
> neutral to
> > sepia.  As noted above, it uses the FS-N as the base ink and then
has a
> > sepia toner.  Again, it is controlled by Photoshop image adjustment
> curves
> > being applied to an RGB version of your file.
> >
> > >... how do I decide what to get?
> >
> > What tone/hue do you like to print?  I personally like neutral for my
> > landscapes, and warm for reproducing old photos, "southwest" type
> images,
> > old barns, etc.  In mixed media competitions, I've found that the
> sepia tone
> > holds up better next to color paintings.  So, the variable-tone
> option has
> > appealed to me due to its flexibility.
> >
> > On the warm end, the sepia is about twice are warm as the UT with
> the warm
> > curve.  However, for old photo reproductions, the purists who want
> the best
> > lightfastness and archival stability will want pure carbon.  The
> sepia toner
> > has yellow and magenta pigments in it that are not as good as
> carbon.  So
> > the UT with the warm curve is essentially pure carbon warm.  So, for
> a warm
> > tone that is the most stable, the UT inkset is much better than
the VM-S
> > inkset.  (I've also made a pure carbon 1280 inkset aimed
specifically at
> > genealogists and the like.  It requires no special "workflow" [curves,
> > etc.], and will print from any application.)
> >
> > Do you like glossy/RC prints?  Frankly, I'm not that impressed with
> any of
> > the RC papers at this point, but there is no question that for the
> deepest
> > blacks they are hard to beat.  Only the Ultra Tone ("UT") inkset is RC
> > compatible among pigmented quads.  Dyes make better RC prints, but
> they fade
> > and often have other problems.
> >
> > >I'm also assuming that in the 1280 there are two catridges, one
black,
> > >and the other color? So, if i were to get these catridges - do i get
> > >two of the same, put one in the black, and the other in color?
> >
> > The 1280 must always have a black cartridge and a "color" cartridge.
>  With
> > quads, the "color" cartridge contains the lighter gray and, with
> > variable-tone inksets, the toner inks.
> >
> > Since I did a lot of the design work on these inksets, I may be a bit
> > biased. (I do not receive royalties -- just free MIS supplies.  I
> make these
> > inksets because I want them for my own use or for others who have a
> specific
> > need for an ink that does not exist yet.)
> >
> > However, for what it is worth, I recommend the Ultra Tone inkset
> with the
> > Eboni black.  This inkset is 100% pigment, very lightfast, stable, and
> > flexible.  The black & gray inks are carbon-based, and the toner
is pure
> > pigment -- no dyes in this inkset.  I have made curves for the UT
> inkset and
> > the 1280, which is what I'm now using.
> >
> > Some like a darker black than the carbon-pigment Eboni.  However,
> the darker
> > blacks have dye in them that will cause the black to warm and
fade.  I'd
> > stick with Eboni, which I find to be plenty black.
> >
> > Enjoy your digital B&W journey.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
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