Digital BW, The Print

never mind, i figured it out - had to convert it to color first, then
load the curves - :-)

thanx

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "altafb2000"
<altaf@p...> wrote:
> 
> OK I downloaded the trial version... looks like it has a lot more than
> elements in some respects ... but how would i load the image
> adjustment curves on picture windows? - The curves are photoshop files
> are they not? Or, are there Picture windows curve files around that i
> might have missed? 
> 
> Also see 
> 
> http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5347
> 
> this is Richard Lynch's "hidden elements" - and he has the curves as
> layers ... that can be applied to images within photoshop elements... 
> 
> Altaf
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Altaf,
> > 
> > As far as I know, the cheapest way to be able to use the Photoshop
image
> > adjustment curves to control the UT and VM inksets (and others) is
> to buy
> > the $50 version of Picture Window 3.5.  There is a free trial
> download from
> > Digital Light and Color at http://www.dl-c.com/Temp/ .
> > 
> > It is the program I'm recommending for entry level retouching and
> printing.
> > 
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > ____________________________________
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: altafb2000 [mailto:altaf@p...]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:14 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 1280 and Quadtones....
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you Paul for this answer a few weeks back, it was very helpful,
> > and clear ... so now i have another newbee question :-) I have
> > Photoshop Elements - that does not appear to have "curves"
> > 
> > you said
> > 
> > >Again, it is controlled by Photoshop image adjustment curves
> > > being applied to an RGB version of your file.
> > 
> > and the faq on the inksupply.com has a workflow that is for Adobe
> > Photoshop (not elements) that assumes that you have curves -
> > 
> > Is there a plug in, that would allow the use of the curves that you've
> > developed for the epson printer for black and white prints? Or, is
> > there another option?
> > 
> > thanx
> > 
> > Altaf
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >Ok,so i'm gonna get the epson 1280, and am trying to find out the
> best
> > > >way to get good quality black and white - ...
> > > >But I'm a bit confused, on which quadtone to get, and
> > > >what the differences are...
> > >
> > > >From the inksupply.com - I see that a couple of options are
> > > >availaible: one is variable mix quadtones,
> > >
> > > MIS VM was the original variable-tone/mix "quad" (B&W) inkset.  What
> > this
> > > means is the tone/hue can be either warm, neutral or cold.
> > Photoshop curves
> > > applied to an RGB version of your grayscale file control the inks
> > and are
> > > available free on the MIS website (inksupply.com), in the Files
> section
> > > here, or from me or others.
> > >
> > > The MIS Ultra Tone inkset is the new version of the MIS VM inkset.
> > It is
> > > more lightfast, does not warm up significantly with light exposure
> > (which
> > > the older quads do), is RC paper compatible (when a "Photo" black
> ink is
> > > used), and has a potential for warmer images than the MIS VM inkset.
> > >
> > > > and the other full spectrum,
> > >
> > > The FS inksets are Piezo-driver-compatible inksets that comes in
> either
> > > medium-warm or neutral-cool versions.  It is a monotone with no
> > variability
> > > (aside from the slight differences one gets by using different
> > papers).  The
> > > FS-E series is the same ink but geared to the Epson driver and RGB
> > curves
> > > for controlling it.   The FS-N (neutral-cool) inkset was the first
> > > non-warming quad, and was really made for the purpose of being the
> > base gray
> > > ink in the VM-S inkset.
> > >
> > > > and then there is Sepia tone
> > >
> > > The MIS VM-S is a variable-tone/mix inkset that has a range of
> > neutral to
> > > sepia.  As noted above, it uses the FS-N as the base ink and then
> has a
> > > sepia toner.  Again, it is controlled by Photoshop image adjustment
> > curves
> > > being applied to an RGB version of your file.
> > >
> > > >... how do I decide what to get?
> > >
> > > What tone/hue do you like to print?  I personally like neutral
for my
> > > landscapes, and warm for reproducing old photos, "southwest" type
> > images,
> > > old barns, etc.  In mixed media competitions, I've found that the
> > sepia tone
> > > holds up better next to color paintings.  So, the variable-tone
> > option has
> > > appealed to me due to its flexibility.
> > >
> > > On the warm end, the sepia is about twice are warm as the UT with
> > the warm
> > > curve.  However, for old photo reproductions, the purists who want
> > the best
> > > lightfastness and archival stability will want pure carbon.  The
> > sepia toner
> > > has yellow and magenta pigments in it that are not as good as
> > carbon.  So
> > > the UT with the warm curve is essentially pure carbon warm.  So, for
> > a warm
> > > tone that is the most stable, the UT inkset is much better than
> the VM-S
> > > inkset.  (I've also made a pure carbon 1280 inkset aimed
> specifically at
> > > genealogists and the like.  It requires no special "workflow"
[curves,
> > > etc.], and will print from any application.)
> > >
> > > Do you like glossy/RC prints?  Frankly, I'm not that impressed with
> > any of
> > > the RC papers at this point, but there is no question that for the
> > deepest
> > > blacks they are hard to beat.  Only the Ultra Tone ("UT") inkset
is RC
> > > compatible among pigmented quads.  Dyes make better RC prints, but
> > they fade
> > > and often have other problems.
> > >
> > > >I'm also assuming that in the 1280 there are two catridges, one
> black,
> > > >and the other color? So, if i were to get these catridges - do
i get
> > > >two of the same, put one in the black, and the other in color?
> > >
> > > The 1280 must always have a black cartridge and a "color" cartridge.
> >  With
> > > quads, the "color" cartridge contains the lighter gray and, with
> > > variable-tone inksets, the toner inks.
> > >
> > > Since I did a lot of the design work on these inksets, I may be
a bit
> > > biased. (I do not receive royalties -- just free MIS supplies.  I
> > make these
> > > inksets because I want them for my own use or for others who have a
> > specific
> > > need for an ink that does not exist yet.)
> > >
> > > However, for what it is worth, I recommend the Ultra Tone inkset
> > with the
> > > Eboni black.  This inkset is 100% pigment, very lightfast,
stable, and
> > > flexible.  The black & gray inks are carbon-based, and the toner
> is pure
> > > pigment -- no dyes in this inkset.  I have made curves for the UT
> > inkset and
> > > the 1280, which is what I'm now using.
> > >
> > > Some like a darker black than the carbon-pigment Eboni.  However,
> > the darker
> > > blacks have dye in them that will cause the black to warm and
> fade.  I'd
> > > stick with Eboni, which I find to be plenty black.
> > >
> > > Enjoy your digital B&W journey.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > 
> > 
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