Digital BW, The Print

I have also tried gaussian noise, but in anything above a 2-3 pixel 
level it is clearly patterned on larger images.  In other words, the 
processing is done in tiles rather than as a whole image in one 
shot.  This tiling does lead to some patination, gaussian or not....
It does work OK to kill posterization or other artifacts though, as 
you said, hide noise with controlled noise.
BUT all said an done, I am happier with no noise - thats one of the 
reasons I went digital in the first place!

Kind regards

Steve


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hahn" 
<markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
> Playing with the Gaussian noise will yeild a decent grain effect.  
I 
> have played around with it trying to "hide" digital noise in 
> the "grain."  To get a Tmax3200 kind of effect I may try printing 
one 
> BO on a 2200... just might work out better that way.
> 
> mark
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chatzebussi" 
> <chatzebussi@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Conrad 
Weiser
> > <radimus@p...> wrote:
> > 
> > Rad
> > 
> > I think this not what I am after. At least I feel that noise and 
> grain
> > are (visually) not the same. But then I am not an expert. Thanks
> > anyway for the hint.
> > 
> > Chatzebussi 
> > 
> > > Maybe raise the digicam's ISO so you increase the noise level 
in 
> the 
> > > picture?
> > > 
> > > Rad
> > > 
> > > chatzebussi wrote:
> > > > Steve
> > > > 
> > > > I couldn't agree more! 
> > > > 
> > > > Any suggestions on how to bring back real, good looking
> > > > (old-fashioned) "grain" in(to) the world of digital B&W 
> capture? So
> > > > far I haven't come across a software solution that can 
emulate 
> the
> > > > special aesthetical quality of high-speed-film grain. 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards
> > > > 
> > > > Chatzebussi 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >>A few months ago I narrowed down what seems to be a glaringly
> > > > 
> > > > obvious 
> > > > 
> > > >>point.  My scanned film has grain.  My Scala work and Neopan 
> work
> > > > 
> > > > has 
> > > > 
> > > >>grain.  Film highlights have dots - its grain. Grain works 
well
> > > > 
> > > > with 
> > > > 
> > > >>BO printing - Eureka.  I have several prints from Neo400 / 
1600
> > > > 
> > > > that 
> > > > 
> > > >>look significantly better with BO than with hex.
> > > >>
> > > >>Now on the digital side, I have used a Fuji S2 for about a 
year 
> and 
> > > >>the pretty much noisless/grainless output compared to my 
35mm 
> film 
> > > >>work means that the BO dots are much more visible as the 
black
> > > > 
> > > > tries 
> > > > 
> > > >>to make up the clear highlight end of the spectrum.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, 
Bookmarks,
> > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The 
page 
> is at:
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > > > 
> > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or 
you
> > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by
> > visiting this same page.
> > > > 
> > > > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > > > - Include your full name with your message.
> > > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
> messages
> > to keep them short.
> > > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the 
> subject
> > header.
> > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks 
or 
> flames
> > > > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and 
the
> > various resources on the homepage. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > > > 
> > > >