Paul, I didn't experiment with adding Eboni back in the profiles because the results were so good without it. However, the initial trials I made by reducing 100% output suggested that eboni did reduce dmax beyond 90-92%, but I don't know how much Eboni was actually being used in those tests. I did some more trials with my "K-less" UT1 curves on several other RC papers, using the neutral 50:50 blend of the cool:warm curves that were developed for Epson Photo Paper, and got the following results: Epson Photo Paper - dmax 1.932 no bronzing Epson Premium Semi-gloss - dmax 2.337 slight bronzing PermaJet Oyster 271 - dmax 2.194 moderate bronzing Oriental Graphica FB - dmax 1.529 slight bronzing, but mottling, very weak blacks, scratches easily Pictorico Dualside - dmax 2.347 moderate to severe bronzing, warm grays Ilford Smooth Pearl - dmax 2.328 very, very slight bronzing (essentially none) Despite the lower dmax, I liked the appearance of the Epson Photo Paper prints. This was the only paper with zero bronzing and the soft gloss did not produce distracting surface reflections - probably the closest to an air-dried glossy silver fiber print . The Ilford Smooth Pearl would be a close second choice for me, particularly where a higher dmax is needed. Carl On Tuesday, January 20, 2004, at 02:16 AM, Paul Roark wrote: > Roy & Carl, > > Can you tell whether adding any Eboni to the dark grey increases or > decreases the density? > > I get a denser 100% with both of the UT2 dark grays than either one on > full. > Since the Epson driver doesn't tell me what it's doing, I'm not sure > if the > total ink limit is increased, some Eboni is being added, or some > characteristic of having the 2 inks is better than one. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” > AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/ucIolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Glossy printing with Eboni -- who needs a 4000?
2004-01-20 by Carl Schofield
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