"...basically the same dye-based inks .." is not the same as identical. Anyway, if you don't trust the opinions of people that work hard on this issue, you might consider just staying with the wet darkroom, if that's what you're comfortable with. Tom Baker Peter Nelson <pnweb@...> wrote: --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre" wrote: > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Nelson" > wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Aj" > > > The images look pretty good, although ive learned that > > > the ink on the 1280s is very unstable so I hope they > > > look as good in a couple of days. > > > > Two years ago a friend made some beautiful neutral BW prints for me > > on his 1280 using Epson's heavy Professional Matte paper as part of > > some experiments he was doing with new profiler he had bought. I > > kept them in a drawer. Today they are a nice rich shade of > > green. > > This fact has been known for several years. If you want permanence, > stay away from dye inksets. No kidding but then how does that explain why the prints made on my 870, which uses basically the same dye-based inks as the 1280, and which have been sitting out under fluorescents for the same amount of time look unchanged? And besides, even dye-based prints should last for more than 2 years, especially in a drawer. My point is that there must be other factors that we just don't understand that are affecting print longevity. And until we DO understand those factors trying to predict what's going to last 35 years, or 50 years or 100 years is pure hubris. Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Stability: go figure
2004-05-06 by Tom Baker
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