Digital BW, The Print

Randy,

>So it sounds like can have a set of both carts and progressively warm 
>your image by how many warm carts you put in the color positions; the 
>black being always the same.

Correct.

> Since I am considering a purchase of 
>the C-84, does it matter which order your progress through for more 
>warmth, i.e. Y,C,M; or do all of the ink positions put the same 
>amount of ink in the same places and therefore wouldn't matter which 
>order?

Yellow puts less ink in the midtones and highlights than.  So, if you find
"neutral" just a bit too cool, a warm ink in the yellow spot would be the
first level (least dramatic) step in warming the image.  Many people like a
print that is just a hair warmer than the straight "neutral."  As such, I
felt that many would like the color of the print if a warm cart was used in
this way.

>Is there some place that discribes this procedure in detail? Doesn't 
>sound like it is much more complicated than knowing which positions 
>to progress through and some experimentation.

I'm not sure if MIS has it on their pages or not.  

>Finally, is there a way to go colder than the neutral positions other 
>than using a "colder" paper, i.e. is there a colder ink we could 
>progress through to get varying levels of cold, as with the warm 
>carts?  Maybe an ink from one of the other printers or create your 
>own?

The paper (like Moab Entrada Bright White or Hawk Mountain Condor) is the
easiest way to go colder.  I have not mixed a specific ink for colder.  I'll
have to give it more thought to see if there is an easy way to mix a new ink
-- but probably not.  With a cold toner from another inkset you could do it
with curves, but most don't want to mess with making such.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> K2,
> 
> You are correct.  The EZ inks are the same in all the color 
positions
> (unless you choose to warm it up a bit by putting a warm cart in Y 
for some
> warmth, M or C for more warmth).  The chips are different for the 
C, M, & Y
> positions.  That is the only difference.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> ______________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K2 Chittin [mailto:k2.lists@v...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:25 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] EZ ink positions
> 
> A friend was placing an order from MIS for a CFS for his C84 so I 
took
> advantage of it to order one bottle of EZ neutral inks and some 
empty carts
> to have a play with on his machine.  This ink is to go in all 3 
colour
> positions.  I recall reading that the EZ inks are all the same for 
the 3
> colour positions and that only the cartridges themselves differ 
because the
> chip is different for each colour.  Also, the reason MIS lists 3 
separate
> "colour" bottles is just so that people wouldn't get confused.  Can 
someone
> please confirm this?  I don't want to suffer the pain of trawling 
through
> the Yahoo archives.
> 
> Thanks
> K2
> 
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