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EZ ink positions

2004-05-26 by K2 Chittin

A friend was placing an order from MIS for a CFS for his C84 so I took advantage of it to order one bottle of EZ neutral inks and some empty carts to have a play with on his machine.  This ink is to go in all 3 colour positions.  I recall reading that the EZ inks are all the same for the 3 colour positions and that only the cartridges themselves differ because the chip is different for each colour.  Also, the reason MIS lists 3 separate "colour" bottles is just so that people wouldn't get confused.  Can someone please confirm this?  I don't want to suffer the pain of trawling through the Yahoo archives.

Thanks
K2

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RE: [Digital BW] EZ ink positions

2004-05-26 by Paul Roark

K2,

You are correct.  The EZ inks are the same in all the color positions
(unless you choose to warm it up a bit by putting a warm cart in Y for some
warmth, M or C for more warmth).  The chips are different for the C, M, & Y
positions.  That is the only difference.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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From: K2 Chittin [mailto:k2.lists@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:25 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] EZ ink positions

A friend was placing an order from MIS for a CFS for his C84 so I took
advantage of it to order one bottle of EZ neutral inks and some empty carts
to have a play with on his machine.  This ink is to go in all 3 colour
positions.  I recall reading that the EZ inks are all the same for the 3
colour positions and that only the cartridges themselves differ because the
chip is different for each colour.  Also, the reason MIS lists 3 separate
"colour" bottles is just so that people wouldn't get confused.  Can someone
please confirm this?  I don't want to suffer the pain of trawling through
the Yahoo archives.

Thanks
K2

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Re: [Digital BW] EZ ink positions

2004-05-27 by K2 Chittin

Paul

Thanks for the confirmation.

K2
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  K2,

  You are correct.  The EZ inks are the same in all the color positions
  (unless you choose to warm it up a bit by putting a warm cart in Y for some
  warmth, M or C for more warmth).  The chips are different for the C, M, & Y
  positions.  That is the only difference.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com 
  ______________________________

  -----Original Message-----
  From: K2 Chittin [mailto:k2.lists@...] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:25 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] EZ ink positions

  A friend was placing an order from MIS for a CFS for his C84 so I took
  advantage of it to order one bottle of EZ neutral inks and some empty carts
  to have a play with on his machine.  This ink is to go in all 3 colour
  positions.  I recall reading that the EZ inks are all the same for the 3
  colour positions and that only the cartridges themselves differ because the
  chip is different for each colour.  Also, the reason MIS lists 3 separate
  "colour" bottles is just so that people wouldn't get confused.  Can someone
  please confirm this?  I don't want to suffer the pain of trawling through
  the Yahoo archives.

  Thanks
  K2

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? for Paul Re: EZ ink positions

2004-05-28 by Randy Rancier

? for Paul, Or for who ever else may know!
So it sounds like can have a set of both carts and progressively warm 
your image by how many warm carts you put in the color positions; the 
black being always the same.  Since I am considering a purchase of 
the C-84, does it matter which order your progress through for more 
warmth, i.e. Y,C,M; or do all of the ink positions put the same 
amount of ink in the same places and therefore wouldn't matter which 
order?

Is there some place that discribes this procedure in detail? Doesn't 
sound like it is much more complicated than knowing which positions 
to progress through and some experimentation.

Finally, is there a way to go colder than the neutral positions other 
than using a "colder" paper, i.e. is there a colder ink we could 
progress through to get varying levels of cold, as with the warm 
carts?  Maybe an ink from one of the other printers or create your 
own?
Thanks,
Randy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> K2,
> 
> You are correct.  The EZ inks are the same in all the color 
positions
> (unless you choose to warm it up a bit by putting a warm cart in Y 
for some
> warmth, M or C for more warmth).  The chips are different for the 
C, M, & Y
> positions.  That is the only difference.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> ______________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K2 Chittin [mailto:k2.lists@v...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:25 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] EZ ink positions
> 
> A friend was placing an order from MIS for a CFS for his C84 so I 
took
> advantage of it to order one bottle of EZ neutral inks and some 
empty carts
> to have a play with on his machine.  This ink is to go in all 3 
colour
> positions.  I recall reading that the EZ inks are all the same for 
the 3
> colour positions and that only the cartridges themselves differ 
because the
> chip is different for each colour.  Also, the reason MIS lists 3 
separate
> "colour" bottles is just so that people wouldn't get confused.  Can 
someone
> please confirm this?  I don't want to suffer the pain of trawling 
through
> the Yahoo archives.
> 
> Thanks
> K2
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
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> they are often being updated.
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> FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR 
EXEMPLARY
> DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
> GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  
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> MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED 
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> POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE 
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> TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED 
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Re: [Digital BW] ? for Paul Re: EZ ink positions

2004-05-28 by D. Hill

Randy,

I really don't know how much cooler the original epson
black is, but it is a bit colder than Eboni.  Eboni
prints to the warm side, most noticably when printing
BO.  The colder Epson ink may be due to additional
pigment or dye content added to the black.  Anyway,
switching from eboni to epson is one method of
altering the tone of the black ink.  

Don

  
--- Randy Rancier <rrancier@...> wrote:

> 
> Finally, is there a way to go colder than the
> neutral positions other 
> than using a "colder" paper, i.e. is there a colder
> ink we could 
> progress through to get varying levels of cold, as
> with the warm 
> carts?  Maybe an ink from one of the other printers
> or create your 
> own?
> Thanks,
> Randy
> 



	
		
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RE: [Digital BW] ? for Paul Re: EZ ink positions

2004-05-29 by Paul Roark

Randy,

>So it sounds like can have a set of both carts and progressively warm 
>your image by how many warm carts you put in the color positions; the 
>black being always the same.

Correct.

> Since I am considering a purchase of 
>the C-84, does it matter which order your progress through for more 
>warmth, i.e. Y,C,M; or do all of the ink positions put the same 
>amount of ink in the same places and therefore wouldn't matter which 
>order?

Yellow puts less ink in the midtones and highlights than.  So, if you find
"neutral" just a bit too cool, a warm ink in the yellow spot would be the
first level (least dramatic) step in warming the image.  Many people like a
print that is just a hair warmer than the straight "neutral."  As such, I
felt that many would like the color of the print if a warm cart was used in
this way.

>Is there some place that discribes this procedure in detail? Doesn't 
>sound like it is much more complicated than knowing which positions 
>to progress through and some experimentation.

I'm not sure if MIS has it on their pages or not.  

>Finally, is there a way to go colder than the neutral positions other 
>than using a "colder" paper, i.e. is there a colder ink we could 
>progress through to get varying levels of cold, as with the warm 
>carts?  Maybe an ink from one of the other printers or create your 
>own?

The paper (like Moab Entrada Bright White or Hawk Mountain Condor) is the
easiest way to go colder.  I have not mixed a specific ink for colder.  I'll
have to give it more thought to see if there is an easy way to mix a new ink
-- but probably not.  With a cold toner from another inkset you could do it
with curves, but most don't want to mess with making such.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
__________________________________



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> K2,
> 
> You are correct.  The EZ inks are the same in all the color 
positions
> (unless you choose to warm it up a bit by putting a warm cart in Y 
for some
> warmth, M or C for more warmth).  The chips are different for the 
C, M, & Y
> positions.  That is the only difference.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> ______________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K2 Chittin [mailto:k2.lists@v...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:25 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] EZ ink positions
> 
> A friend was placing an order from MIS for a CFS for his C84 so I 
took
> advantage of it to order one bottle of EZ neutral inks and some 
empty carts
> to have a play with on his machine.  This ink is to go in all 3 
colour
> positions.  I recall reading that the EZ inks are all the same for 
the 3
> colour positions and that only the cartridges themselves differ 
because the
> chip is different for each colour.  Also, the reason MIS lists 3 
separate
> "colour" bottles is just so that people wouldn't get confused.  Can 
someone
> please confirm this?  I don't want to suffer the pain of trawling 
through
> the Yahoo archives.
> 
> Thanks
> K2
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
resources as
> they are often being updated.
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> POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE 
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? for Paul Re: EZ ink positions

2004-05-30 by Randy Rancier

Thanks for your replys.  So, the yellow position would give the most 
subtle warming effect.  What would be the next step up to progress 
to, does the cyan and/or magenta positions give a more pronouced 
warming effect?

Is there a way to do split tone effect like you do with some of the 
more advanced printers?
Thanks Randy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Randy,
> 
> >So it sounds like can have a set of both carts and progressively 
warm 
> >your image by how many warm carts you put in the color positions; 
the 
> >black being always the same.
> 
> Correct.
> 
> > Since I am considering a purchase of 
> >the C-84, does it matter which order your progress through for 
more 
> >warmth, i.e. Y,C,M; or do all of the ink positions put the same 
> >amount of ink in the same places and therefore wouldn't matter 
which 
> >order?
> 
> Yellow puts less ink in the midtones and highlights than.  So, if 
you find
> "neutral" just a bit too cool, a warm ink in the yellow spot would 
be the
> first level (least dramatic) step in warming the image.  Many 
people like a
> print that is just a hair warmer than the straight "neutral."  As 
such, I
> felt that many would like the color of the print if a warm cart 
was used in
> this way.
> 
> >Is there some place that discribes this procedure in detail? 
Doesn't 
> >sound like it is much more complicated than knowing which 
positions 
> >to progress through and some experimentation.
> 
> I'm not sure if MIS has it on their pages or not.  
> 
> >Finally, is there a way to go colder than the neutral positions 
other 
> >than using a "colder" paper, i.e. is there a colder ink we could 
> >progress through to get varying levels of cold, as with the warm 
> >carts?  Maybe an ink from one of the other printers or create 
your 
> >own?
> 
> The paper (like Moab Entrada Bright White or Hawk Mountain Condor) 
is the
> easiest way to go colder.  I have not mixed a specific ink for 
colder.  I'll
> have to give it more thought to see if there is an easy way to mix 
a new ink
> -- but probably not.  With a cold toner from another inkset you 
could do it
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> with curves, but most don't want to mess with making such.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

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