Digital BW, The Print

thanks mr roark, that saves me great amount of time. Now I have another 
question, do you actually like the UT2 inks? I have just done some 
comparisons to eboni black only on a good matte surface, and quite 
frankly the UT2 prints are not nearly as good. Specifically the 
shadows. Cloth and hair simply looks blotchy with the UT2 ink. Then 
again, Black-only looks even better with the epson photoblack to me.I 
need to try to work it out I guess. I went thru this with the lyson 
quads, which I bailed on in favor of Black-only. I then went with the 
lyson small gamuts which were impossible to dial in, and then they 
turned green in two weeks. My first job I guess is to try get a 
greyscale strip to look good. Arrggh.....I have been doing this so 
long, about a year of 21 step strips. Black-only really does live up to 
the hype. I guess I'll drain these sets of UT2 since I paid for them 
and all. Thanks for the honesty about the papers.
On Jul 30, 2004, at 7:12 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Doug,
>
>  My UT2 information sheet states, in part:
>
>  "GLOSSY PAPERS - WITH EBONI BLACK INK
>
>  ...
>
>  Most of these papers have some reflective differentials or artifacts 
> that
>  can be reduced significantly with a spray like PremierArt Image 
> Shield or
>  Lyson Print Guard.� When sprayed, these papers have a surface that is
>  durable enough to be cleaned with a damp paper towel.
>
>  Curves are available for the following papers:
>
>  ...
>
>  Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl & Glossy papers:
>
>  ����������� (Use "Photo Quality Glossy Film" media type.)"
>
>
>
>  I think dye inks do have a visual advantage on most "glossy" surfaces.
>  Frankly, I don't like the supper glossy finishes on the microporous 
> papers
>  at all.� However, I think most find the pearl or semi-gloss surfaces 
> quite
>  pleasing -- when sprayed.� The spray is critical for all the papers 
> expect
>  the older Epson Glossy Photo Paper and related coatings.
>
>  The large dots you saw may indicate that either the resolution should 
> be
>  kicked up to 2880 or the paper type is wrong.� Flooding the paper is a
>  problem with Ilford.� Be sure to use the "Photo Quality Glossy Film"
>  setting.� If you still notice large looking dots at 2880 at about 
> 75%, then
>  your particular printer may just be putting out too much ink for the 
> paper.
>
>  Good luck.
>
>  Paul
>  www.PaulRoark.com
>
>  For UT2 & UT7 information, curves, and settings see:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/
>
>  __________________________________
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: lipshurt2002 [mailto:lipshurt@...]
>  Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 1:34 PM
>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [Digital BW] eboni, UT2, and semi-gloss or 
> pearl.......What's up
>
>  so after reading all of the stuff on the roark website, I decide to 
> spring
>  for a set of UT2
>  inks for my epson 1280. I have been making nice prints using epson 
> ink,
>  Black only, on
>  every kind of paper, fine art, smooth pearl, high gloss, you name it. 
> I
>  started to think that
>  maybe they wont last, so I got the pigment UT2 set because
>  ...supposedly......they are
>  compatible with gloss and smooth gloss papers. Well, I have some 
> ilford
>  gallerie smooth
>  gloss for pigment inks, and some ilford gallerie smooth pearl for 
> pigment
>  inks. What a
>  disaster. The bronzing is extreme. SO extreme that anyone with any 
> standards
>  whatsoever
>  would just laugh. On the smooth gloss, the inks just set on the top, 
> and can
>  be DUSTED of
>  by the slightest wipe of a� handkerchief!......I mean totally erased. 
> I'll
>  bet the wind of
>  rustling papers would blow the ink off the paper. Something, I assume 
> is
>  wrong here. I was
>  usuing the "UT2-ilfordsmooth-eboni-carbon" curve, and following the 
> rest of
>  his
>  directions. Aside from the obvious problems, I also was not knocked 
> out by
>  the print as far
>  as smoothness and detail go. The Black only method has better 
> transitions
>  from dark to
>  black in the shadows. The shadow detail was lacking pretty bad, and 
> blotchy.
>  If I am
>  wasting my time trying to get this ink to print on a non-matte 
> surface,
>  please let me
>  know. I recently went through this with lyson small gamuts, and gave 
> up on
>  them making
>  a neutral print. Right now I'll try some more of the papers I have on
>  hand....thanks in
>  advance, Doug M
>
>
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