Doug,
>... it seems like it would make more sense to use curves
>from the output/transfer part of photoshop. Then there is a curve for
>the black also.
I'm not 100% sure what you mean here. The "Transfer function" in the driver
gives pure control. It would be great to have direct control of the black
ink, but the Epson printers only deal with RGB. A CMYK image in Photoshop
is converted to RGB when sent to the printer. As far as I know a third
party RIP is the only way to get direct control of the black ink, and that
is one reason some prefer them.
> ... very un-impressed by a matte print. Quite frankly, to me
>it's just glorified xerox paper.
I felt that way at first, but now I prefer it due to its lack of reflections
off the surface.
If you have no interest in matte papers, why don't you put MIS Photo K in
the black position instead of Eboni. Then the sliders would work with
glossy (which includes the pearl and Semigloss surfaces) paper, and I also
have curves for selected glossy papers and the Photo K.
I'd think the artifact-free and cheap Epson Glossy Photo Paper with Photo K
would be a good solution for you.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
For UT2 & UT7 information, curves, and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/
_______________________________________
On Jul 30, 2004, at 8:59 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
> Doug,
>
> >... do you actually like the UT2 inks?
>
> Yes, for my type of printing and preferences I think they are the
> best 1280
> solution that is out there. Of course, I'm always trying to move
> forward,
> and I have beta versions several more inksets and ideas for more.
> So, I
> obviously see room for improvement. However, it's always a case of
> which
> alternative is the best among the imperfect choices that are
> available, and
> the look or style of printing makes a difference as to which of these
> alternatives is best for you.
>
> I think it might be best to start with a matte paper like EEM and
> print from
> a grayscale file without using curves, using the "Color Controls" and
> leaving the sliders at 0. If that doesn't produce a good print at the
> recommended settings (which are largely the default ones), then there
> may be
> a more serious problem.
>
>
> >... Cloth and hair simply looks blotchy with the UT2 ink. ...
>
> This sounds like a settings or curves problem.
>
> With curves there may need to be some tweaking to get them to fit the
> precise printer and inkset batch characteristics. "Canned" profiles
> and
> curves just can't take into consideration all the printer variations.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> For UT2 & UT7 information, curves, and settings see:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/
>
> ______________________________________________
>
> On Jul 30, 2004, at 7:12 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
>
> > Doug,
> >
> > My UT2 information sheet states, in part:
> >
> > "GLOSSY PAPERS - WITH EBONI BLACK INK
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Most of these papers have some reflective differentials or
> artifacts
> > that
> > can be reduced significantly with a spray like PremierArt Image
> > Shield or
> > Lyson Print Guard. When sprayed, these papers have a surface that
> is
> > durable enough to be cleaned with a damp paper towel.
> >
> > Curves are available for the following papers:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl & Glossy papers:
> >
> > (Use "Photo Quality Glossy Film" media type.)"
> >
> >
> >
> > I think dye inks do have a visual advantage on most "glossy"
> surfaces.
> > Frankly, I don't like the supper glossy finishes on the microporous
> > papers
> > at all. However, I think most find the pearl or semi-gloss
> surfaces
> > quite
> > pleasing -- when sprayed. The spray is critical for all the papers
> > expect
> > the older Epson Glossy Photo Paper and related coatings.
> >
> > The large dots you saw may indicate that either the resolution
> should
> > be
> > kicked up to 2880 or the paper type is wrong. Flooding the paper
> is a
> > problem with Ilford. Be sure to use the "Photo Quality Glossy
> Film"
> > setting. If you still notice large looking dots at 2880 at about
> > 75%, then
> > your particular printer may just be putting out too much ink for
> the
> > paper.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> > For UT2 & UT7 information, curves, and settings see:
> > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/
> >
> > __________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lipshurt2002 [mailto:lipshurt@mac.com]
> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 1:34 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] eboni, UT2, and semi-gloss or
> > pearl.......What's up
> >
> > so after reading all of the stuff on the roark website, I decide to
> > spring
> > for a set of UT2
> > inks for my epson 1280. I have been making nice prints using epson
> > ink,
> > Black only, on
> > every kind of paper, fine art, smooth pearl, high gloss, you name
> it.
> > I
> > started to think that
> > maybe they wont last, so I got the pigment UT2 set because
> > ...supposedly......they are
> > compatible with gloss and smooth gloss papers. Well, I have some
> > ilford
> > gallerie smooth
> > gloss for pigment inks, and some ilford gallerie smooth pearl for
> > pigment
> > inks. What a
> > disaster. The bronzing is extreme. SO extreme that anyone with any
> > standards
> > whatsoever
> > would just laugh. On the smooth gloss, the inks just set on the
> top,
> > and can
> > be DUSTED of
> > by the slightest wipe of a handkerchief!......I mean totally
> erased.
> > I'll
> > bet the wind of
> > rustling papers would blow the ink off the paper. Something, I
> assume
> > is
> > wrong here. I was
> > usuing the "UT2-ilfordsmooth-eboni-carbon" curve, and following the
> > rest of
> > his
> > directions. Aside from the obvious problems, I also was not knocked
> > out by
> > the print as far
> > as smoothness and detail go. The Black only method has better
> > transitions
> > from dark to
> > black in the shadows. The shadow detail was lacking pretty bad, and
> > blotchy.
> > If I am
> > wasting my time trying to get this ink to print on a non-matte
> > surface,
> > please let me
> > know. I recently went through this with lyson small gamuts, and
> gave
> > up on
> > them making
> > a neutral print. Right now I'll try some more of the papers I have
> on
> > hand....thanks in
> > advance, Doug M
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