Digital BW, The Print

I'm also printing BO with Eboni. But before that I've used VM inks. 
My experience was that the black of the VM system, gives a more 
neutral tone then Eboni. Because I read that you use VM inks, maybe 
you should give it a try and make a BO print on your other printer.

Regards,  René
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B. Campbell" 
<bellis60@v...> wrote:
> Thanks for the reply, I'll check out other papers. The problem for 
me with
> printing warm isn't so much that I dislike warm (though for most 
photographs
> I do prefer a more neutral look) as it is that I use MIS VM inks in 
my other
> printer and so am already able to make warm tone prints. I was 
hoping that
> BO would expand my range of possible colors more in the neutral 
area than in
> the warm area.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@c...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:47 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Ink For Black Only Printing
> 
> 
> Hello Bellis,
> 
> >I've been using Epson Photo Black and Epson Enhanced Matte paper in
> >my 2200 for BO printing just to see what BO looked like. I've been
> >generally pleased with the results but the prints are on the warm
> >side so I replaced the Photo Black with MIS Eboni which everyone
> >seems to say is the best black to use for BO. I ran three cleaning
> >cycles  and then printed. The prints are still on the warm side and
> >don't otherwise look any different than the same prints done with
> >Photo Black. Is it possible that three cleaning cycles weren't
> enough
> >to remove all the Photo Black from the printer?
> 
> Three cycles should be enough.
> 
> 
> >Apart from that, what am I supposed to be seeing with MIS Eboni
> >that makes it preferable to Epson's Photo Black for BO printing?
> 
> Several things:  First, on any given matte paper Eboni will be a bit
> less warm than Photo Black (PK) or Matte Black (MK, which is also 
less
> warm than PK).  Second, Eboni and MK both have better Dmax than PK 
(on
> Matte paper).  Third, different papers render carbon inks at 
different
> degrees of warm.  With Eboni the tones range from cold, almost pure
> black, to warmer than EEM.  Because Eboni is the least warm of the
> non-dyed carbon blacks, gets among the highest longevity ratings, 
and
> is cheaper than the Epson inks (and some say is prettier), it has
> become the favorite ink for many BO users.
> 
> So on EEM, Eboni should still look warm, but not as warm as PK.  As
> for other papers, there is an article called "The Great Paper Chase"
> at the link below (#5 in the series) which lists several papers and
> describes the ink color and other properties using Eboni.  It's
> possible to have a selection of several papers that will produce a
> range of tones so we can choose one which best suits each image.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> 
> 
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