Tyler, One of the reasons I am encouraged there is a possibility a B&W photo printing solution could become much more than any today is and obtain commercial support that¹s easily effective and affordable is from observing what ColorVision has accomplished with their Spyder monitor calibration and profiling product over the last two years or so. Usually it is I who leaves because I tend to a rather persistent gadfly and wear out my welcome<S>. Regards, David B. Brooks Shutterbug Magazine E-mail: fotografx@mindspring.com On 10/16/04 9:00 AM, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote: > > One more quick comment, I was also able to test ColorVision¹s new > Spyder2Pro colorimeter and software, and was very impressed. I've used > and tested a few different hardware calibration apps/devices, and this > seems very good. > Also, I just wanted to add that it's nice to you posting on this list, > David. Hope I haven't chased you off. > Tyler > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David B. Brooks" > <fotografx@m...> wrote: >> > >> > Bernie, >> > >> > May I suggest that ³color management² and monitor calibration and > profiling >> > could at least reduce the discrepancy between what you see on-screen and >> > what you obtain in a print even though you are working with > grayscale and >> > not color. I have jumped in here in part because I was just delivered >> > ColorVision¹s new Spyder2Pro colorimeter and software, and the resulting >> > calibration and profiling I am now obtaining is amazingly > well-matched and >> > the screen gray is at a neutral balance I¹ve not seen before. And > may I also >> > suggest that with an LCD flat panel, its grater brightness range > compared to >> > a CRT, makes it that much more difficult to obtain screen matching > in prints >> > as there is an inherent gamma discrepancy. CRT¹s are much closer in >> > brightness range and apparent gamma effect to a print density range. >> > >> > Regards, David B. Brooks >> > Shutterbug Magazine >> > E-mail: fotografx@m... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 10/15/04 4:17 AM, "Bernie Ess" <albatros-@...> wrote: >> > >>> > > >>> > > When I started b&w printing on an Epson, I thought one of the >>> > > advantages over the darkroom was that once its well set up, there >>> > > would be no trying and experimenting and that I would have 100% >>> > > predictable results. >>> > > >>> > > Now, a few hundreds or probably thousands of prints later I find that >>> > > this is >>> > > not exactly the case. On my 2100/UT7 workflow I find the following >>> > > issues: >>> > > >>> > > 1. My output from the file + Roark curves is roughly, but never >>> > > exactly what I see on my monitor. When I look at the grayscale on my >>> > > flat panel the 100% to 0% >>> > > steps are quite well separated, but in the uncorrected print the deep >>> > > shadows (around 95% >>> > > black) are not well resolved, 95% comes out totally >>> > > black: So I had to make a curve that boosts the deep shadows. >>> > > >>> > > 2. I often find myself having to do several prints of the same photo, >>> > > because the general "look" of the print is not like on the screen, see >>> > > also my other message about the foliage and trees. >>> > > >>> > > 3. The most mysterious thing is that my output seems to vary from time >>> > > to time. Sometimes I find the prints too dark compared to the screen, >>> > > sometimes they are slightly too light. >>> > > >>> > > Finally its not that different from the darkroom, I would say >>> > > gradually more predictable (maybe even by a large margin, but that is >>> > > probably because my traditional darkroom skills are so poor). >>> > > >>> > > So, do you have a 100% WYSIWYG workflow? >>> > > >>> > > Thanks for your input, >>> > > >>> > > Bernhard >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as >>> > > they are often being updated. >>> > > >>> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >>> > > >>> > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to >>> > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same >>> > > page. >>> > > >>> > > Please follow these basic guidelines: >>> > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep >>> > > them short. >>> > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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Re: [Digital BW] How reliable/ precise is your b&w print workflow?
2004-10-16 by David B. Brooks