Let me try to put a more positive spin on all of this. This could get real long real quick, each topic deserves an entire thread in itself. I'll try to be brief. First of all, a printer is dedicated B&W or color simply by the nature of the installed inks. I would argue that as soon as mono inks are installed, you have a dedicated B&W printer. As we all know several mono inksets are available, so I would say dedicated B&W printers are available. There have been fits and starts to the viability of some of these inks, but right now things seem pretty good indeed. The printer is further defined by the software that comes with it. That the drivers are optimized for the intended color output is an obstacle, but it has been successfully addressed by various ways for quite a while. Either the driver is forced to do what you want by manipulating RGB data going in, or you use a dedicated driver more suited to these needs. Good options for doing so are available all the way from free RGB curves, $50 shareware, icc profiles, to expensive full featured RIPs. What would have been un-dreampt of even a few years ago, is that even some of the most affordable of these options are capable of being hardware linearized. If you can't afford the hardware yourself, someone can do it for you easily, or for a nominal fee. There are many people happily printing using any and all of the options above. There is a learning curve to everything including the darkroom, and and if you have yet to be able to print using one of the available options, there is a flaw somewhere that requires further effort. Of course, you could be one of those faced with a problem with materials or workflow bug beyond your best perfect efforts. We've all been there and feel your pain, but I'd say you are in the minority, and most of this stuff works very well these days. Remember, this is all pretty new. Soft-proofing, this has also been successfully addressed and evolving for some time. A soft-proof method for any B&W output system can be visually performed by doing this- http://f4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QM9yQQcyMSI_x0pM_l1qzJJREDiLfw9JxQn1uhD61kZ-q_R8CBdCsyoFcxvh2vFj_p6553skticgw2wMln0cxZb4I7NcSw/Image%20Processing/Matching%20Your%20Monitor%20view%20to%20Your%20Prints.pdf That this write-up bears my name is a bit silly, it's simply a summary of well known procedures using Photoshop features. It's also sorely in need of a version update, someone? THis method is not really fully icc compliant, but it works. True icc softproofing has also been addressed for years, initially through the creativity of Dan Culbertson., who logically realized any output system including quads can be characterized (hence predicted and soft-proofed) with profiling tools. http://f4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QM9yQcm57zs_x0pMWloqSxffpfvVoQW1xyjmLuJTz3ZmPH02gFV2vaq5OEG-Ca5SgaIBRe1W8BvwuP5tHfey5uvoLJYYcw/Image%20Processing/RGB_Softproof_Quad.pdf An example of this is some work I did with Martin Wesley some time ago, with an MIS inkset. He was quite happy with the results and posted here several times about it. This approach has been further refined and brought back to the limelight by the creative efforts af Carl Schofield. These methods do not result in output printing profiles, but successfully characterize and preview any output method, including tint, paper white and ink black, and are fully icc compliant. I even use this method with StudioPrint, to hand off preview profiles to clients wanting to use them while optimizing their files for our output. I should also add that some of these output systems are tuned well enough to not require an icc softproof method, as evidenced by David Brooks comments about good monitor to print match with Paul's curves (I assume, from a specific gray space properly displayed), and a good match here from 20% gray space files here matching well to Studio Print's linearized to 20% DG output. Personally for both color and B&W, I love using PS softproof including using paper white and ink black. The dilemma expressed in this thread seems very well addressed by these features. Hopefully without hyping the product, Cone's system and profiles deserve mention. You have a dedicated B&W printer by nature of installing the inks, you have icc profiles that softproof and print directly from a grayscale file. If you are willing to use the Epson driver's color management, you can print even from any application. Does this not precisely fulfill the requirements expressed by this thread? I'm not here to recommend this product, but I'm not sure the significance of it's development has been fully acknowledged in the community. I have friends with no experience with any of the other methods we are all aware of here, and they are up and printing, soft-prooing, etc., with no problems. This is just the first of such products, and may inspire more to come from others. That it all doesn't come in a neat package directly from Epson for $59.99 seems to be the only thing that doesn't fit with what has been asked for here. The problem seems to be that information comes and goes, past accomplishments are buried by history, new accomplishments come from different factions. In my opinion, given the wealth of materials available, the advances put forth by various parties including those mentioned here, that a workflow can be put together that satisfies all of the expressed needs in this thread, with your materials of choice. Admittedly, this may take some work, and other than Cone it doesn't all come prepackaged for you. But hey, it's only the beginning. It was always work, consider this today's equivalent of a Picker newsletter. Tyler
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Re: [Digital BW] How reliable/ precise is your b&w print workflow?
2004-10-17 by Tyler Boley
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