I've done some work in this area and have come to some unconventional conclusions. I'm not saying I'm right. What I am saying is that this works for me. You will all have to decide for yourselves. I'm a 4x5 shooter. Currently I'm only shooting Tri-X for B&W. It routinely handles 11 stops of subject brightness range (SBR), for example, white flower in full sun, according to my Zone VI modified Pentax digital spotmeter. It may well handle more, but I've never found more in any of my landscape work. The Zone System would have you pull that 11 stop range down to about 8 stops (N-3 or even N-4) to better match the dynamic range of silver gelatin paper. What I have found is that with a hybrid workflow (film-scan-inkjet), this is unnecessary. The hybrid workflow lets you really simplify the Zone System. Basically, you setup your EI and normal development time just like for printing in the darkroom. Then, you expose for the shadows (set Zone III for the darkest part you want to carry texture), and let the highlights fall where they may. Every sheet of film gets "N" development. You can do this because the scanner will fit whatever the film density range is, into the scanner's digital range of 0-255 (8 bit), 0-4095 (12 bit), or 0-65535 (16 bit). This in turn, is an *exact* match to the printer. For example, say your FB+Fog occurs at 0.12, and your normal Zone VIII occurs at 1.3. You meter that scene with the white flower in full sun and find you have a range of Zone I-XI. You take the shot, develop it normally, and end up with a Dmax of 2.1 on the film. This negative is virtually unprintable in the darkroom. Yet, if you do a good scan and set your black and white points well, you get a full range scan with beautiful tonality from darkest shadows to brightest highlights. This scan prints fairly easily on an inkjet printer, without blown out highlights (which are virtually undefined in this workflow). Of course, there's always a catch. As you drive up density, you drive up graininess. The highlights (that white flower) are going to be a little more grainy than if you did an N-3 process. But since I'm shooting 4x5, a little extra grain is pretty meaningless anyway. Sounds too easy doesn't it? Well, I'm not asking you to believe it. You can prove it to yourself. Shoot a scene twice, and give one negative N-3 and one negative N development. Scan them both and pull the files up side-by-side in Photoshop. When I've done this test, I've found the files to be virtually identical, except for the bit of extra graininess in the highlights of the N negative. And that's not going to be noticeable in a print smaller than about 40x50 inches for me (about 10x enlargement). The real test is in the prints though, and I've never been able to get anyone to tell me which print is which. Sacrilege. I know. I've been told before. So... clearly, YMMV. -- Hogarth Hughes Pieris Berreitter wrote: > > Claude (and others), > > You mention you've seen Tmax density from 3 stops to 11 stops. I've > seen this magical 11 stops (and more) elsewhere, and recall a comment > saying something like "this is only useful in scientific > applications". > > First, can this kind of range be obtained simply by asking a pro-lab > to do pull-processing or is other trickery involved? > > Second, how useable is such a "high-latitude" negative for a hybrid > process? In theory, one could scan this negative with a scanner > capable of reading a Dmax of 3.2 (about max for Tmax according to the > datasheet), apply curves to reduce range to about 5 stops (thereby > boosting contrast), and print. Would I be able to match the results > of this high-latitude negative to a "normal" negative of the same > scene, assuming the scene does not exceed the latitude of the normal > negative? > > Or (my suspicion), would the tonal range of the "high latitude" > negative be so long as to make the scan aesthetically ugly (banding > in dark regions)? > > This topic has always been interesting to me. > -Pieris >
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Tonal range recording
2004-11-23 by Hogarth Hughes
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