Digital BW, The Print

Steve,

The GRAY_VAL I used for ink 2 (LK-glop) in the neutral profile was 
measured using the LC gray (I didn't have the combo cal file then). I 
just re-measured using the combo (LC+LM+LK 45/45/10) and also got 
around 20 for a partition value, comparing the 100% combo L to the 
values in the C (PKN) strip.  If you are getting partition values up in 
the 40's I wonder if you are using the dark UT7 gray inks instead of 
the light grays.

Carl

On Feb 21, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Steve Kale wrote:

>
> I swear I must just have different ink or something.  My Gray Value for
> 45/45 was 40 when I think yours is down at 20.  I am really beginning 
> to
> wonder if MIS have any QC or perhaps we are just doing something 
> completely
> differently.  I print the calib page with the ink limits set and then
> measure the 100 patch on the combo and find the interpolated "% black".
>
>
>> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:47:53 -0500
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW]  QTR neutral curve PKN, UT7 Light warm/cool 
>> grey
>>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I printed your calib page with the profile I posted (on both Ilford
>> Smooth Pearl and  Kirkland Glossy) and here are the comparable data to
>> what you just posted:
>>
>> Kirkland Glossy:
>> LM/LC at 45/45 LK 10 (glop)
>> 50% patch L 61.0, a 0.7, b -2.0
>> 100% patch L 43.3, a 1.3, b -1.9
>>
>> Ilford Smooth Pearl:
>> LM/LC at 45/45 LK 10 (glop)
>> 50% patch L 61.9, a 0.9, b -1.9
>> 100% patch L 44.3, a 1.4, b -2.0
>>
>>
>> Quite different from your results - are you using the UT7 LM and LC
>> gray ink?  Note that I did not edit the LK curve in the cal .quad file
>> so glop (LK) was applied in the combo print (LK/LM/LC).
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Steve Kale wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ilford Smooth Pearl.  I haven't linearized yet.  I was simply looking
>>> at the
>>> calib page which shows the LC/LM/LK/Y inks combined as a single 
>>> "ink".
>>> With
>>> 45/45 the combined ink 100 patch reads 39.8 2.1 1.2 (50 was 60.2 1.1
>>> 0.9).
>>> A 40 warm/50 cool combo gives 41.1 1.9 -0.1 at 100 and 61.0 0.8 -0.1
>>> at 50.
>>> In the end I ran 36/56 without reprinting the calib.  Once I have 
>>> done
>>> the
>>> glop overcoat and linearized I will post the finals.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
>>>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:05:44 -0500
>>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW]  QTR neutral curve PKN, UT7 Light 
>>>> warm/cool
>>>> grey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which paper Steve?  I'm using that profile with both Kirkland glossy
>>>> and ilford smooth pearl and get neutral prints on both with UT7 LC 
>>>> and
>>>> UT7 LM at 45 each - no warm highlights.  Here are some LAB data for
>>>> the
>>>> Kirkland:
>>>>
>>>> 25%  68.70 0.36 -2.55
>>>> 50% 44.83 1.04 -2.18
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
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