Digital BW, The Print

well, I am usuing glop, and I like it, but with semi-matte, I am 
getting some gloss diferential. Not really bronzing. Right now am 
adjusting the glop curve so that it goes down into the shadow more. 
Looks to me like pauls glop curve for semi is the same as it is for 
kirkland, and that is not quite right. On semi matte, the shadow get 
really glossy, whereas on kirkland they have a real nice satin sheen. 
Then in the highlights, the kirkland base paper is more glossy than the 
ink, but the semi base paper is way more dull than the ink.  I think I 
have that licked. now the only probblem is the slow speed of 2880, and 
then there is still this weird banding that does not show up at 1440. 
At 1440, the 3rd 4th and 5th blocks from the dark end (21step scale) 
are pretty grainy like a Black only print. 2880 fixes that, but makes 
subtle banding. The banding is maybe something else, and I just 
switched to clear carts....so....that may be part of it. If Its just 
the gloss thing, I think i have it down by laying down a little broader 
swath of glop. Glop works great....I have a gig tonight, so I'm about 
done for today......keep you posted. If this works out, semi matte is a 
little duller than kirkland with glop. ( the glop actually dulls the 
gloss a bit, so they end up almost the same look....Doug M
On May 4, 2005, at 4:38 PM, ccolbertbw wrote:

> hi Doug,
>  � I haven't had a chance to try the Kirkland yet - sounds like I need 
> to.
>  I am curious what is not right with the image on semimatte. This is 
> the
>  paper that Paul Roark and Bill Atkinson seem to like the best.
>  My experience is with Luster (similar to the Ilford pearl) and I 
> agree it
>  is just too plasticy.
>  best,
>  Costa
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen
>  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
>  > hello, I am on a quest to get my BW prints to be like what I 
> remember
>  > our old darkroom prints� looking and feeling like (it's been almost
>  > thirty years since!)
>  >
>  > any way, That to me means slightly glossy print that does not feel 
> like
>  > plastic. I use paul roarks curves with my 1280 and ut2/glop inks.
>  >
>  > Results with kirkland are great, and not "computery" but only up to
>  > letter size. Epson prem semi-gloss is good if I use print sheild 
> spray,
>  > but not quite the right surface. Premium glossy is too glossy. Epson
>  > premium semi-matte is exactly the right surface, But the image 
> quality
>  > is not up to kirkland, and in order to get a good print I have to 
> go to
>  > 2880. Then, the dark areas are a little more glossy than the 
> midtones.
>  > I Think i can fix that by adjusting the glop curve, no biggie. The 
> 2880
>  > setting is Soooooo slow...
>  >
>  > So now I just remembered that i have a whole box of ilford smooth 
> pearl
>  > 13x19 sitting here, also have some in letter size. WOW, the image
>  > quality is as good as kirkland, and with glop, there is a perfectly
>  > bronzing-free finish. Still feels too much like plastic, and the 
> pearl
>  > surface can be reflective, but the result is really nice and not
>  > "computery"
>  >
>  > "computery" is my new term for prints that make people say "did you 
> do
>  > this on computer or something?" I hate it when they do that
>  >
>  > So now my main question:
>  > I know that ilford smooth papers are not acid buffered like kirkland
>  > and epson premium semigloss, but what does that actually mean in 
> terms
>  > of years? The Epson papers have a really long rating like 200
>  > years.....so would the ilford papers last 50 years?
>  >
>  > I have some work coming up that needs to be 8x10 (Kirkland) and also
>  > some bigger prints. I am think of doing them on ilford, instead of
>  > semi-matte,� just because of the speed, and slighly better image
>  > quality. As long as they will last a reasonable amount of time. As 
> far
>  > as I can find, the test sites have not tested this paper with Carbon
>  > inks, so you cant tell if they are rating the paper, or the inks.
>  >
>  > Thanks for any info! Doug M
>
>
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