Clarification: What I meant to say was that even though the kirkland is glossier than the semi matte, the glop evens it out and makes them pretty close to the same. I have found that using the media setting "glossy film" removes the grain fro the shadows, but then the contrast curve is a little flat in the midtones....more testing. I am a trial and error kind of guy, as long as I have time..... On May 4, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote: > well, I am usuing glop, and I like it, but with semi-matte, I am > getting some gloss diferential. Not really bronzing. Right now am > adjusting the glop curve so that it goes down into the shadow more. > Looks to me like pauls glop curve for semi is the same as it is for > kirkland, and that is not quite right. On semi matte, the shadow get > really glossy, whereas on kirkland they have a real nice satin sheen. > Then in the highlights, the kirkland base paper is more glossy than the > ink, but the semi base paper is way more dull than the ink. I think I > have that licked. now the only probblem is the slow speed of 2880, and > then there is still this weird banding that does not show up at 1440. > At 1440, the 3rd 4th and 5th blocks from the dark end (21step scale) > are pretty grainy like a Black only print. 2880 fixes that, but makes > subtle banding. The banding is maybe something else, and I just > switched to clear carts....so....that may be part of it. If Its just > the gloss thing, I think i have it down by laying down a little broader > swath of glop. Glop works great....I have a gig tonight, so I'm about > done for today......keep you posted. If this works out, semi matte is a > little duller than kirkland with glop. ( the glop actually dulls the > gloss a bit, so they end up almost the same look....Doug M > On May 4, 2005, at 4:38 PM, ccolbertbw wrote: > >> hi Doug, >> I haven't had a chance to try the Kirkland yet - sounds like I need >> to. >> I am curious what is not right with the image on semimatte. This is >> the >> paper that Paul Roark and Bill Atkinson seem to like the best. >> My experience is with Luster (similar to the Ilford pearl) and I >> agree it >> is just too plasticy. >> best, >> Costa >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen >> <lipshurt@m...> wrote: >>> hello, I am on a quest to get my BW prints to be like what I >> remember >>> our old darkroom prints looking and feeling like (it's been almost >>> thirty years since!) >>> >>> any way, That to me means slightly glossy print that does not feel >> like >>> plastic. I use paul roarks curves with my 1280 and ut2/glop inks. >>> >>> Results with kirkland are great, and not "computery" but only up to >>> letter size. Epson prem semi-gloss is good if I use print sheild >> spray, >>> but not quite the right surface. Premium glossy is too glossy. Epson >>> premium semi-matte is exactly the right surface, But the image >> quality >>> is not up to kirkland, and in order to get a good print I have to >> go to >>> 2880. Then, the dark areas are a little more glossy than the >> midtones. >>> I Think i can fix that by adjusting the glop curve, no biggie. The >> 2880 >>> setting is Soooooo slow... >>> >>> So now I just remembered that i have a whole box of ilford smooth >> pearl >>> 13x19 sitting here, also have some in letter size. WOW, the image >>> quality is as good as kirkland, and with glop, there is a perfectly >>> bronzing-free finish. Still feels too much like plastic, and the >> pearl >>> surface can be reflective, but the result is really nice and not >>> "computery" >>> >>> "computery" is my new term for prints that make people say "did you >> do >>> this on computer or something?" I hate it when they do that >>> >>> So now my main question: >>> I know that ilford smooth papers are not acid buffered like kirkland >>> and epson premium semigloss, but what does that actually mean in >> terms >>> of years? The Epson papers have a really long rating like 200 >>> years.....so would the ilford papers last 50 years? >>> >>> I have some work coming up that needs to be 8x10 (Kirkland) and also >>> some bigger prints. I am think of doing them on ilford, instead of >>> semi-matte, just because of the speed, and slighly better image >>> quality. As long as they will last a reasonable amount of time. 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Re: [Digital BW] Available surfaces - was Ilford longevity
2005-05-05 by Douglas meeuwsen