Digital BW, The Print

What's QTR?

As I mentioned, I was also looking at the epson R800, but I think 
the Matte black cartridge is used for text with the photo black 
being used for photos, meaning it may as well only have 1 black 
cartridge for photos.

I've had the HP 8450 recommended, but is that only 1 black ink as 
well?

The Canon Pixma iP5000 seems to be the only other printer with 
a 'photo black', though the normal black is used for text according 
to a review i've read, with the photo black being for photos - so 
again it's only really using 1 black for photos, if my understanding 
is correct.

I know that I can't get spot on B&W and colour without spending big -
 but I need better prints than what I've got now.

The i9950 does decent B&W from what I've heard....I'll be looking at 
profiling my printer once I get it, if that helps.


I'm assuming that getting a set of quadtone inks and simply 
switching the ink cartridges over when i need B&W or colour isn't a 
good idea, correct?



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> I don't think there is any printer that can do excellent color and 
B&W aside
> from the 2400 (and its larger versions) without switching inks.  
The 2200
> with QTR can do a good job and would be the second best choice if 
ink
> switching is out of the question.  The color inksets really have 
trouble
> with B&W if they don't have at least one gray ink in addition to 
the black
> ink.  Color tints, cross-overs, metamerism, etc. just can't be 
avoided
> without a gray ink.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:52 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Which B&W printer for my purposes?
> > 
> > I'd love that printer.  Unfortunately it's well out of the 
ballpark.
> > 
> > I was just looking at a review the Epson R800, but apparently 
that's
> > a little disappointing with B&W.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > I think the Epson 2400 is the one, if it's in the price 
ballpark.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf
> > Of Jason
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:23 PM
> > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Which B&W printer for my purposes?
> > > >
> > > > Howdy all - I just got introduced to this group.
> > > >
> > > > I'm currently studying photography at TAFE (tertiary 
education),
> > and
> > > > at the moment we're concentrating entirely on B&W (so this 
group
> > > > should be quite useful!).
> > > >
> > > > Now, the printer I currently own is a Canon i70 (I use a 
DSLR),
> > but
> > > > I want to upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > I also want the printer to be good at colour, as well as 
printing
> > > > good, neutral B&W.  Because of that I'm not willing to go and
> > > > dedicate a printer entirely to B&W, so I need something that 
can
> > do
> > > > both (besides, I'd have to import the inks from the US - bit 
of a
> > > > nuisance, and I need a new printer ASAP).
> > > >
> > > > I've been looking around at various Canon, Epson and HP
> > > > printers...my budget?  Well, to make it easier (due to 
differing
> > > > currencies), the Pixma iP5000 is comfortably within my 
budget.  I
> > > > could be convinced to spend the equivalent of the iP8500.  I
> > don't
> > > > really want to spend the money on the i9950 (I believe it's 
the
> > > > i9900 in the US), but I could manage it if I had to...
> > > >
> > > > Any recommendations?
> > > >
> > > > I've had the HP 8450 recommended to me.  The Epson 2100 
looked
> > > > decent (I've had the 2200 recommended to me, but I don't 
think
> > that
> > > > model is available in Australia), but I have no idea how much
> > that
> > > > costs, and it's been discontinued anyway
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