Digital BW, The Print

This is the kind of talk I am looking for. I'm a retread 70's semi pro looking 
for a reasonable inexpensive printer capable of making a presentable B&W print 
from a silver negative.

I have been using a HP Photosmart 8150 printer, a Dimage Dual II scanner and a 
Windows 98 computer with Photoshop Elements 1.00 inside. The prints made with 
the #100 gray cartridge are very sepia when viewed under tungsten and merely 
very warm  in sunlight. But otherwise they look, to my eyes, very nice. With the 
black #96 cartridge they are OK, maybe better than the ones from my previous 
cheapo general-do-all printer, but they lack the visual excitement of the ones 
from the #100 cartridge.

I have been pestering the help desk at Hewlett the P with this since July 1 and 
have been blown off the third time.

Will the Epson R200 or the C86 work better than the HP 8150? I'd like something 
that made a neutral black print that had the glow, snap and detail of the 8150?

I gather the Epsons have a single black cartridge. Is this enough? Is it really 
black?
  David











Paul Roark wrote:

> I'd stick with Epson printers and dedicated B&W pigments for entry level
> B&W. 
> 
> The R200, being a hextone printer, can make smoother prints than the C86.
> However, the C86 may still be the easiest, and the improvement in smoothness
> may not be visible in most prints. 
> 
> I'll be making an EZ formula for the R200 soon, which MIS will mix and sell,
> I assume, since there seems to be quite a bit of interest in it.  (I have an
> R200 which will probably replace my C86, which needs its waste pads replaced
> -- and is probably not worth paying a service person to do.) 
> 
> Some have also used UT7 and other variable-tone solutions in it, with QTR to
> make curves.  UT2 also works in the R200, but some curves will probably be
> needed, and I do NOT intend to make a set of RGB Photoshop curves for the
> printer, so either the EZ approach or QTR will be the workflow.  With an EZ
> approach, I might make a few monotone/grayscale curves if needed to
> linearize for proofing purposes.  (I use the small printers as everyday
> printers and for making small proof prints that will then be printed on the
> 7500 or 7600.)  It'll be a few weeks before I get to the R200 project.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
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>  > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>  > thom999manson
>  > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:09 AM
>  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  > Subject: [Digital BW] Advice on an A4 B&W printer.
>  >
>  > I have recently decided to buy an A4 inkjet that will be dedicated
>  > to B&W work. However, I really don't know which one to go for.
>  >
>  > My options, as I see them now, are
>  >
>  > 1) Epson C86 (\ufffd58) with MIS EZ Ultratone cartridges (~\ufffd30)
>  >
>  >
>  > 2) Epson R200 (\ufffd61) with Generations QuadBlack (GQ) ink (~\ufffd52) + \ufffd30
>  > for the driver
>  >
>  > 3) HP Photosmart 7960 (\ufffd50)
>  >
>  >
>  > The problem with the HP is that I have to use their ink and paper,
>  > so running costs are higher, and I believe it is not easy to get
>  > matt or fibre papers.
>  >
>  > The Epson printers are a bit more expensive, but cheaper to run.
>  > Does the 6 ink R200 give better results than the 4 ink C86?
>  >
>  > What do you think? Any help would be much appreciated.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  >
>  > Thomas
>  >
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