Digital BW, The Print

Doug,

Try some Costco Kirkland Glossy inkjet paper and Epson Premium Semimatte.
Both are significantly better with respect to bronzing than the Premium
Semigloss.  If one looks very critically at them there is still a gloss
differential between the paper white and areas with significant density, but
the obnoxious bronzing is virtually gone.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug
> Wolf
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:05 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] No more (ok, very little) matte paper for me ...
> (was - Matte paper, sprays ...)
> 
> In the continuing quest for better dmax and more "punch" in my images,
> I have to say, whatever MIS has done with the most recent UT7
> formulation to make it work on RC paper, seems amazing to me.
> 
> Paul - after our exchange, I was digging through the paper stack and
> found a packet with a few sheets of premium semigloss.  I remembered
> reading a post from you about MIS claiming improved bronzing
> characteristics, so I figured, what the heck - I'll give it a try (I
> had long ago given up on RC papers as totally unacceptable with
> pigmented inks - although, I never mastered the spray coating
> technique, so that probably wasn't fair).
> 
> Well, the short answer is, I'm stunned.  There is still a little
> bronzing (basically, reduced reflectance compared to the overall
> print, in areas where K < ~2-3%) but you have to angle the print to
> the light in such a way as to try to see it.  Under most conditions
> and normal viewing angles, you don't see it at all.  And the blacks
> are actually BLACK. What is really amazing is that this was achieved
> as essentially a quad-tone mixing only the C, M, LC and LM inks.  Not
> to mention that I think the micro detail is perceptibly much sharper
> than any matte print (even EEM, which, archival or not has the
> smoothest surface character of any matte paper I've used).
> 
> I had convinced myself that my matte prints looked pretty good, but
> viewing them next to some prints of the same images on semigloss with
> the latest UT7 inks - there is IMO no comparison.
> 
> Anybody in Austin, TX want to take the rest of my PAHP 325 paper off
> my hands?? :-)
> 
> Doug
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >
> > Doug,
> >
> > Premier Art Print Shield (solvent) does not increase dmax, at least as
> > normally used.  It actually decreases it.
> >
> > (It sounds like your curve has a shadow ramp that needs fixing.)
> >
> > The water-based products like Eco can increase dmax, but smooth
> application
> > is tricky.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Doug
> > > Wolf
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:36 PM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Matte paper, sprays and dmax
> > >
> > > Greetings, group.
> > >
> > > I've searched the archives, and have not come up with an answer,
> > > although I imagine there is one there somewhere.
> > >
> > > I've got a workflow using QTR with UT7 inks established, mostly on
> > > premierart hotpress 325 gsm, and am very happy with most of the
> > > results, as long as large black elements are not a major component of
> > > the picture.  The dmax is such that if there are large shadow areas,
> > > the print takes on a "muddy" feel. - High key prints, or those with
> > > only small or diffuse shadow areas seem to look fine to me and other
> > > viewers.
> > >
> > > So the question is - does PremierArt print shield increase the dmax on
> > > matte papers?  Has anyone had any experience with the PriemerArt ECO
> > > coatings, and if so, does anyone know when the aerosol versions will
> > > be available, and from where?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance -
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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