Digital BW, The Print

I picked up this thread a little late (had to watch the UT/OK football 
game today) but wanted to second (or third) Paul's suggestion. The C86 
and EZ inks are an excellent and inexpensive starting point for 
dedicated grayscale printing.

We have a digital lab where students have access to two Epson 4000's 
and one 4800. Each fall semester I teach a digital darkroom class; 
these are students who've already taken several digital imaging classes 
and want to concentrate on inkjet printmaking. I have every student 
purchase their own C86 printer (its on their course supply list). I 
started doing this as a way to encourage the same sense of ownership 
they experience in the wet darkroom. It makes the digital printing 
process less objective and more tactile. They learn the "care and 
feeding" of their own machine and use the small printers to master 
basic printing workflows (including print profile authoring with an 
EyeOne kit). They use the larger printers for mid-term and final 
portfolio work.

I demo both BIO (black ink only) and the EZ inks in class. About half, 
those interested primarily in grayscale printing, purchase a second C86 
(they find them for around $40.00 on sale; less than the cost of many 
Photoshop textbooks).

I consider the C86/EZ inks a minor miracle.

Bill Kennedy
Austin, Texas


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:29:19 -0700
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Search for the Holy Grail - The Perfect B&W 
Print - Can It Be Made on a Computer

    It's definitely easy to get confused reading this list.  On the 
other hand,
note how many people have a cheap C86 with the EZ MIS inks and get 
great B&W
prints with no instruments, no color management, no rip, and not much 
money
spent.

I recommend people get on the learning curve cheaply and easily.  Once 
one
starts actually printing, the issues here will have more context and 
make
more sense.  Although I have 5 printers within sight in my office, 
including
2 large formats and a 2400, the C86 with MIS EZ-N ink is the printer 
that is
used the most.  99% of people cannot tell the difference between a C86 
print
and one made on the most expensive system.  There is no inkjet system 
that
can make a more archival print than the C86.

See http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/C86-EZ-UT-Readme.htm for more 
information
on the C86, and http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm for an index of 
the
other printer setups I've used recently.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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> Subject: [Digital BW] Search for the Holy Grail - The Perfect B&W 
Print -
> Can It Be Made on a Computer
>
> I've been monitoring this group thinking some day I'd like to make
> great B&W prints on my Epson 2200 or 2400 using WindowsXP with or
> without QuadTone RIP or other software. But the more I read the more
> confusing it seems. Can anyone summerize the advantages/disadvantage
> of any or each of the major systems to print great B&W to include
> ImagePrint?
>
> I'm a hobbist and don't have the instruments to read/create accurate
> profiles.
>
> Dave
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