The RMS grain numbers the manufactures published for their B&W films usually coincided with my experience with the films. I switched from Agfapan 25 to Tmax 100 because with the T-Grains the 100 ISO film was almost as fine grained as the 25 speed film (and it had much better reciprocity characteristics). These are some RMS grain numbers the manufactures published: Traditional film grain: Agfapan 25 - RMS 7 Agfapan 100 - RMS 9 Agfapan 400 - 14 T-Grain films: T-Max 100 - RMS 8 T-Max 400 - 10 So, in general, I think the T-grains did give more speed for a given grain level. Then again there is the traditional grain film that is different: Technical Pan at 25 ISO with Liquid Technidol developer - RMS 5. (I use Tech Pan whenever I can.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Smallfield > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:23 PM > To: Digital BW Print > Subject: [Digital BW] Pan F vs Delta 100 > > Hello, > I was at an exhibition yesterday and got into a discussion with a > photographer who'd used Pan F for a photo and I asked how she found Pan F > and Delta 100 compared. > > She said Pan F had finer grain because it was a lower ASA. I said that > they were different technologies and Delta had tabular grain. Her reply > was lower ASA = smaller grain. End of story. > > So ... I had a look at some 10x15 prints of mine and from the few prints > I've done, it looks like she might be right. It also depends on how > aggressive I was with the curves on those images of course, as that > accentuates grain, too ... > > Any thoughts? > > thanks, > Richard > -- > http://smallfield.vze.com > http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > > > "Programming is an endless race between the software engineer, > who seeks to design increasingly idiot-proof code, and the Universe, > which strives to produce even bigger idiots." > --anon > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND > MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
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RE: [Digital BW] Pan F vs Delta 100
2005-10-16 by Paul Roark
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