Digital BW, The Print

OK - all this talk has finally made me look at digital more seriously  
- the thing is i really love B&W - and from what I understand about  
digital you need a good conversion and filter software, 'cause the  
digital images are in color.

And then there is the cost. However, I did go over to B&H and look at  
some of the prices - I'm looking at Canon 'cause I have decent lenses  
- and don't wanna spend to get new sets of lenses.  So, the cost for  
EOS 20D - body only - is about $1200 ---- Are there any reviews out  
there about this camera as used for B&W esp. nature photography,  
including trees, macro (flowers) , landscape? I know I'm asking for  
something quite specific, but for that price, and time I'd invest in  
learning it all... I really would like some more info. on how to  
evaluate the camera.

At the same time it is certainly attractive that I would spend a lot  
less time, developing film, and then scanning 'em --- I could  
certainly take a lot more photographs, experiment more, print  
more.... so lotsa mores.... and features etc. tempting for sure...

Altaf


On Dec 10, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Clayton Jones wrote:

> Hello Pete,
>
>> I would be interested to know if I am talking garbage -- I admit
>> I have limited experience of the subject. I'll stick with film for
>> now -
>
> No, you aren't talking garbage.  Everything you listed is true, but as
> you say, you are speaking with limited digital experience.  Consider
> this: the vast majority (probably in the high 90's %-wise) of film
> photographers who try digital capture don't go back.  There must be a
> reason for that, in spite of all the things you mentioned.
>
> The hardest part of making the transition is accepting/realizing that
> digital sensors are not an electrical version of film.  I went through
> a mourning period where I tried unsuccessfully to make my images look
> like the Tri-X I loved for years.  I finally understood that I was
> dealing with a completely different medium, so I stopped trying to
> make it be something else and began learning how to use it.  What I
> think all serious photographers have found is that there are
> workarounds for the things you discussed.  Film has certain advantages
> over digital, but the reverse is also true.
>
> It isn't the same as film.  Once you accept that, a whole new
> wonderful world opens up.  An analogy might be a painter who switches
> from acrylic to oil, or vice-versa.  This isn't meant to change your
> mind.  I think you should continue as you are.  When the time is right
> it will be compelling in its own unique way for you, and it won't be a
> decision to be made.  You'll just want to do it.
>
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>
>
> Info on black and white digital printing at
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>
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