Good point, there are places a horse can carry you that a car cannot. dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Katzung" <katzung1@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Vs. Film > This whole thread is way off topic, but I can't resist asking the question > of those who, like Michel, see nothing but chaos in the digital world: > Why is that 95% of pros have switched to digital? > Surely, they did not do it because they like chaos, want their equipment to > become obsolete within months, have no permanent storage, etc, etc? No, if > you read Shutterbug, look at Luminous Landscape, etc, and find out WHY they > switched, you find that they have very good, rational reasons, reasons that > apply to amateurs as well as pros. > No one is forcing anyone to switch to digital, just as no one forced people > to give up horses when cars were invented. Lots of people still prefer > horses, but few use them to travel professionally. > That's all for me, I'm out of this discussion. > Bert > > katzung1@... > www.astronomy-images.com > www.visionlightgallery.com/katzung/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lours51" <sinwen@...> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:19 PM > Subject: [Digital BW] Digital Vs. Film > > > Just my feelings about this very important subject. > > I am still using film and will for a long while I guess. At > present if I had to go digital I would only go for a small pocketable > camera. > > - Film is a very mature technic it had never been as good. > - Film storage is easy and gives no hassle ; it seems that some > museums make negatives out of digital files due to that. > - With a neg or a slide you have a picture in hand that you can see, > no such thing with a digital file. > - Film forces you to think before you release the shutter. > - As someone said earlier in this thread, the pictures grow in you > and the treatment is also part of my pleasure. > - The camera can be all mechanical, mature technic as well, no > battery, it is very reliable and straight forward to use. > > - Digital is just born, the equipment is obsolete within months, > there is no second hand market ; we talk now of curved sensor for > example. > - It is mainly electronics and that's very fragile, it sucks > batteries within a whisper. > - It relies on computer technology forcing you to keep up with both. > - It is very easy to lost your files, they can get easily corrupted > or erased. > - Nonetheless the actual results are promising. > > I consider digital to be the typical consumer product, Snap, Look and > Throw, you consume images. As an "amateur", for the reasons mentioned > above, I will never deep in four figures $$$$ into a piece of > electronic equipment, so I eliminate professionnal machines. > And marketing doesn't help, when will we have just a simple camera, I > don't want it to be a thermometer, clock, phone or coffee machine ! > I may have one of these toys and use it as such until some of the > inconvenients are in control then I will reconsider my opinion. > > One final word, Mister Everybody who bought a digicam, will realise > his mistake the day he will turn back and look for his souvenirs, > there are many chances he won't have any, in return it was so easy to > open a dusty shoebox and find everything in there. > > Michel > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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Re: [Digital BW] Digital Vs. Film
2005-12-11 by Dan Koons
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