Digital BW, The Print

You should all be aware that Piezzo print heads (Epson) and Thermal print heads (HP) 
require different viscosity/surface tension requirements from the inks they use for proper 
printing results. 

John Nollendorfs

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sonrisenc" <sonrisenc@y...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nick H. Nugent" 
> <nghin@p...> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> > 
> > 
> > > I think the 9800 is capable of matching the Epson 1280 in print 
> > > quality, but there's no aftermarket supplies for HP products!...
> > 
> > This is strange. I thought Weink would have 3rd party ink for your
> > printer but no such luck. They have the pigmented black for the 99
> > cart but none for the 98. I'm not that familiar with HP printer as 
> the
> > Designjet 30 is my first.
> 
> 
> Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant there are no sources for 
> empty cartridges. They do have Vivera-compatible ink, which I have 
> ordered and am presently using.
> 
> 
> > 
> > > I've been warned by Bob Headrick that the pigmented inks may 
> produce 
> > > a sticky residue on the printheads and printer wipers....
> > 
> > Sounds like I should not even try to use my Epson inks on the HP  :
> ( 
> > The Designjet 30 has 4 picoliter droplets. You may want to try the 
> new
> > HP pigmented inkset made for the new HP Designjet 5500 instead of
> > Epson ink. As a matter of fact I was looking into this possibility.
> > I'm also looking at the HP Vivera monochrome inks. The HP 5500 is
> > still new so I'll wait and see if it will be prone to clogging as 
> well.
> > 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the tip. You should not have to use Epson pigmented inks. 
> WeInk has a bulk outlet that sells HP-compatible pigmented inks. The 
> url is getinkexpress.com . But I would not know which to recommend 
> for you. Call their toll-free number 800-559-3465.
> 
> That being said, I have read that the newer Epson print heads are 
> designed around a 3 pL droplet, so these pigmented inks should work 
> fine with your 5 pL heads, right?
> 
> 
> > > I'll be glad to let you know what happens with the MIS 
> experiment. 
> > > Then there's the issue of which paper to print on.
> > 
> > If you succeed in using the MIS Epson inks in your HP you should be
> > able to print on almost anything 
> >
> 
>  
> That's what I'd like!
> 
> 
> >providing your printer driver has
> > certain ability to perform some sort of ink limitting. But I still
> > think Epson printers tend to be able to print on more media than 
> HPs.
> > 
>  
> 
> I plan to "trick" the printer into using the 9800's standard driver 
> profile for the tri-color and photo-gray carts (which are used to 
> make high-quality grayscale prints) by using the appropriate MIS 
> substitues. These inks were made for six color printers like the 
> Epson 220/320 with a direct replacement for C, M, Y, K, light C and 
> light M. 
> 
> You mentioned flushing the old carts prior to refilling. Do you 
> recommend any particular product or technique for this?
> 
> 
> > > Who knows, maybe I'll publish a web page on my "HP experiments" 
> and 
> > > become famous! LOL.
> > 
> > I have benefitted from pioneers like you especially in this area of
> > digital inkjet b/w. 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the vote of confidence, but "tinkerer" would be a better 
> description of my abilities. :0)
> 
> 
> >I've always wanted an inkjet printer that is like
> > a Beseler enlarger and dark room equipments which do not care 
> whether
> > you are dealing with Kodak or Ilford or whatever films or papers. 
> You
> > should be able to use any ink, dial up or down the amount of ink
> > deposited on a paper, etc. 
> >
> 
> 
> I share your desires in this regard. Perhaps one day we will get to 
> this point. 
> 
> Sonrise
>