Dear Forum Members: Some weeks ago on another thread I expressed my great satisfaction with the B&W profiles created for me, gratis, by Ethan, at DryCreek when he made my color profile on my Epson 4800, K3 inks and Ilford Smooth Pearl Paper. I have also tried these B&W profiles(neutral, platinum, sepia, browntone and cool tone) on Silver Rag with similar good, metamerism free results. Actually the results are stunning and the toning options, in particular the platinum, are restrained and quite beautiful. I realize this CM approach to B&W printing is not everyone's cup of tea but to others like me than want to print B&W in the same easy wysiwyg method as color images, these B&W Profiles would be a boon to anyone with a K3 printer. I wrote to Ethan and asked him if he would be offering these B&W profiles free along with his color profiles as a matter of normal procedure. With his permission I have included his reply below: The short answer is YES for forum members but depending on your setup your milage may vary. Realize you may not geat great results with every inkset on every printer. But if you have a newer K3 printer this is great added value to an already excellent color profiling service. Just let Ethan know you are a forum member when you order and that you want the extra profiles. I don't work for DryCreek and I have heard different opinions about them, however my experience with them has been and coninues to be very satisfing. Happy printing to all. http://www.drycreekphoto.com/ Lou Meluso Lou, I started this email last week, ran into a time crunch, and let it languish in the drafts folder. I'll try to pick up my train of thought... We have debated offering B&W profiles for over a year. I spent far too long in late 2004 developing the technique for creating these profiles. In most cases, the process works well. Nonetheless, trying to eliminate unwanted color casts - all too easy to spot in a B&W print! - is not a sure bet. There are cases where a B&W profile will not be perfectly neutral over a certain tonal range. Fixing the problem is simple if one has the offending printer at hand. Make a print, evaluate, edit the profile or re-measure, print again. It usually takes one or two iterations to dial in a recalcitrant printer. In our case, however, the printer is anything but readily available. Doing remote edits based on a description or relying on snail mail to shuttle prints back and forth is a time consuming process. Our thoughts were that this would require both pricing the B&W profiles at an unreasonable level and spending more time than any of us desire tweaking and editing output. Further confounding the process is the ugly fact of metamerism. While we can make a profile that gives neutral output under a particular lighting condition, this does not necessarily hold true for all light sources. For example, the original Epson UltraChrome inks shifted between a green and magenta cast depending on the lighting. The primary culprit in the metamerism was the yellow ink. Various RIP vendors make specialized B&W printing modes that disable the offending yellow ink, however this requires control over the individual inks. A profile is not a printer driver, so it can not do this. The moral is that metamerism can not be eliminated by a profile. Our dilemma is that we have a methodology that works well in most instances, but we can not guarantee it. Some printers and inks are simply unsuited for B&W printing unless the output is viewed under carefully controlled lighting conditions. The toning options are based on measurements of a bunch of my own prints as well as those of my colleagues. We use the rendering intents as a means of giving different strengths, but we do not want to make individual adjustments based on each photographers preference -- back to a sane pricing model once again. So far, we have offered the B&W profiles to customers who mentioned a preference for B&W work or sounded more savvy than average. We have yet to charge for the B&W profiles - it's been solely a gratis program. I do not want to include this for all our general customers, as many will not use them enough to justify the extra time and effort on our end. If you want, I could make the following offer to the Digital B&W group members: Purchase a regular color profile from us and we will throw in the set of B&W profiles at no extra charge. Include a note to my attention along with which archive format to put the profiles in: WinZip or Stuffit. The B&W profiles come with neither guarantee nor support. If they do not work satisfactorily, we would like to hear why not, but are not going to commit to rounds of edits and tweaks. For folks with earlier Epson pigment printers - those with the original UltraChrome inks or their third party equivalents - please do not order the B&W profiles unless your prints will be viewed only under high quality D50 lighting. Ill-behaved printers really require a RIP for B&W work. Feel free to post the above to the Digital B&W group. I have no problem providing the B&W options as long as people know their mileage may vary. Cheers, Ethan
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DryCreek B&W Profiles Free to Forum Members
2006-04-04 by lou4photo
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