Digital BW, The Print

Hi Carl;

Funny you should mention K2; I was just admiring a pair of 16 x 20 
k2 prints Shilesh sent me a while back, and I can attest to the fact 
that His setup don't need no steenkin' LLK either- they are smooth 
and dotless all the way up the scale with good highlight detail, 
etc. I think the 4000 is probably the best wide format machine out 
there right for the k2 approach, and of course having PK and MK full 
time is great. I really think Epson blew it with that aspect of the 
X800 machines, and Canon will make them pay for it dearly.

BTW-if you get tired of mucking about with these new overpriced-glam 
papers: What I've gone to now is the Oriental Graphica Lustre. Nice 
surface, though not as nice as the Sihl Iridium, but clean glowing 
highlights and a d-max of 2.35-2.4. For this particular paper it 
doesn't seem to matter if its Epson or MIS ink; A greyscale done on 
Clayton's R2400 gave me virtually identical dmax as one done on my 
R1800 with MIS inks. Now if I could just find a mat board to match 
the whiter base....

Best,

Steve Karafyllakis

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<list@...> wrote:
>
> I'm using MIS K4 inks (equivalent to epson K3) in my 4000.  I 
don't  
> use the LLK ink.  I make my own profiles for color and B&W 
printing  
> using the ColorBurst X-Photo RIP and also QTR for toned B&W.  I 
also  
> use the MIS K4 inks (with the LLK) in my 2400 printer, also with  
> custom profiles.  I don't really see any differences between 
prints  
> made with and without LLK in terms of tonal smoothness, GD, or 
bronzing.
> 
> On Jul 10, 2006, at 8:30 AM, Stephen M Martin wrote:
> 
> > Did I read correctly that you are using the K3 ink in a 4000? 
May I  
> > ask how? Thanks.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Carl Schofield
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] fibaprint gloss/ da vinci users
> >
> > MIS K4 PK does seem to give me slightly lower dmax compared to 
Epson
> > K3 PK. I get about 2.1 to 2.2 for Innova F Type in both my 2400 
and
> > 4000. Silver Rag and Hahnemuhle Pearl do better with dmax closer 
to
> > 2.3 - 2.4.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > On Jul 9, 2006, at 9:21 AM, Shilesh Jani wrote:
> >
> > > Using Epson 4000 loaded with K3 (4800) PK ink, QTR 1440
> > > Super/Better/Ordered I am getting 2.5 when measured with 
Heiland PM
> > > Densitometer. This is NOT a colorimeter.
> > >
> > > From experience I know this will dry-down to ~2.4+ overnight. 
A  
> > light
> > > coat of PrintShield usually bring this up to 2.6+
> > >
> > > I am getting the same results +/- 0.05D with the K3 PK in 2400
> > > printer.
> > >
> > > Dmax usually comes in at 75% or 80% ink limits.
> > >
> > > Ernst, maybe it is the MIS PK ink?
> > >
> > > Shilesh
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst 
Dinkla
> > > <E.Dinkla@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Greg wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I looked into the dmax numbers a little, and I thik I have a
> > > vague
> > >>> idea of why they are getting such low numbers. It might 
(stress
> > >>> might) be simply a difference between the measurement mode 
being
> > >>> used. Most of us are using Status T for density, yet the 
Xrite
> > > 810
> > >>> says it uses Status A (reflection and still has a 2.5D spec),
> > > while
> > >>> they may be using Status E measurements to reach the 2.7D. I 
saw
> > > a
> > >>> fleeting reference to the difference between Status T and 
Status
> > > E
> > >>> being that the E value may be lower. I haven't had the time 
to go
> > > and
> > >>> research it yet, so if someone knows what the differences 
are, or
> > > has
> > >>> the time to go looking, there might be an answer.
> > >>
> > >> Greg,
> > >>
> > >> I'm busy calibrating Fibaprint Gloss F with a Spectrocam and
> > >> do not get a higher Dmax than 1.94 with MIS UT PK on an Epson
> > >> 9000. I do not see much difference between the Status T, A or
> > >> E with this spectrometer. And the lowest L is 11.80. With QTR
> > >> I have to limit on 60 in the calibration strip as there's no D
> > >> gain above that. Boosting doesn't help either. I have used the
> > >> Premium Glossy Photo Paper setting in QTR but do not expect
> > >> any difference with other settings and 1440 unidirectional.
> > >>
> > >> Any suggestions to get a higher Dmax ?
> > >>
> > >> Ernst
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Ernst Dinkla
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> www.pigment-print.com
> > >> ( unvollendet )
> > >>
> >
> 
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