Digital BW, The Print

Carl;

I tried the FB glossy too, and absolutely hated it. The Lustre with 
MIS inks at least shows no bronzing and only the slightest GD going 
into no-ink highlights. It available in rolls, cost $129 including 
shipping- not the cheapest RC paper, but not as pricey as the FB 
either. And if you need color, it gives good results there with MIS 
Pro, probalby the K4 as well. 

Steve Karafyllakis


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<list@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
> 
> I tried the old Graphica FB Glossy quite awhile ago when I was 
using  
> the original UC inks and thought it looked pretty good, except 
for  
> some slight bronzing.  It was pretty pricey back then and there 
were  
> no larger sheet sizes or rolls available so I didn't go back to 
it  
> with the newer inksets.  Any GD or bronzing with the graphica  
> lustre?  I'll have to give it a try with my MIS K4 inks.
> 
> Regards,
> Carl
> 
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 1:25 AM, Steven Karafyllakis wrote:
> 
> > Hi Carl;
> >
> > Funny you should mention K2; I was just admiring a pair of 16 x 
20
> > k2 prints Shilesh sent me a while back, and I can attest to the 
fact
> > that His setup don't need no steenkin' LLK either- they are 
smooth
> > and dotless all the way up the scale with good highlight detail,
> > etc. I think the 4000 is probably the best wide format machine 
out
> > there right for the k2 approach, and of course having PK and MK 
full
> > time is great. I really think Epson blew it with that aspect of 
the
> > X800 machines, and Canon will make them pay for it dearly.
> >
> > BTW-if you get tired of mucking about with these new overpriced-
glam
> > papers: What I've gone to now is the Oriental Graphica Lustre. 
Nice
> > surface, though not as nice as the Sihl Iridium, but clean 
glowing
> > highlights and a d-max of 2.35-2.4. For this particular paper it
> > doesn't seem to matter if its Epson or MIS ink; A greyscale done 
on
> > Clayton's R2400 gave me virtually identical dmax as one done on 
my
> > R1800 with MIS inks. Now if I could just find a mat board to 
match
> > the whiter base....
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Steve Karafyllakis
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl 
Schofield
> > <list@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm using MIS K4 inks (equivalent to epson K3) in my 4000. I
> > don't
> > > use the LLK ink. I make my own profiles for color and B&W
> > printing
> > > using the ColorBurst X-Photo RIP and also QTR for toned B&W. I
> > also
> > > use the MIS K4 inks (with the LLK) in my 2400 printer, also 
with
> > > custom profiles. I don't really see any differences between
> > prints
> > > made with and without LLK in terms of tonal smoothness, GD, or
> > bronzing.
> > >
> > > On Jul 10, 2006, at 8:30 AM, Stephen M Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > > Did I read correctly that you are using the K3 ink in a 4000?
> > May I
> > > > ask how? Thanks.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Carl Schofield
> > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:39 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] fibaprint gloss/ da vinci users
> > > >
> > > > MIS K4 PK does seem to give me slightly lower dmax compared 
to
> > Epson
> > > > K3 PK. I get about 2.1 to 2.2 for Innova F Type in both my 
2400
> > and
> > > > 4000. Silver Rag and Hahnemuhle Pearl do better with dmax 
closer
> > to
> > > > 2.3 - 2.4.
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 9, 2006, at 9:21 AM, Shilesh Jani wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Using Epson 4000 loaded with K3 (4800) PK ink, QTR 1440
> > > > > Super/Better/Ordered I am getting 2.5 when measured with
> > Heiland PM
> > > > > Densitometer. This is NOT a colorimeter.
> > > > >
> > > > > From experience I know this will dry-down to ~2.4+ 
overnight..
> > A
> > > > light
> > > > > coat of PrintShield usually bring this up to 2.6+
> > > > >
> > > > > I am getting the same results +/- 0.05D with the K3 PK in 
2400
> > > > > printer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmax usually comes in at 75% or 80% ink limits.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ernst, maybe it is the MIS PK ink?
> > > > >
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst
> > Dinkla
> > > > > <E.Dinkla@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Greg wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I looked into the dmax numbers a little, and I thik I 
have a
> > > > > vague
> > > > >>> idea of why they are getting such low numbers. It might
> > (stress
> > > > >>> might) be simply a difference between the measurement 
mode
> > being
> > > > >>> used. Most of us are using Status T for density, yet the
> > Xrite
> > > > > 810
> > > > >>> says it uses Status A (reflection and still has a 2.5D 
spec),
> > > > > while
> > > > >>> they may be using Status E measurements to reach the 
2.7D. I
> > saw
> > > > > a
> > > > >>> fleeting reference to the difference between Status T and
> > Status
> > > > > E
> > > > >>> being that the E value may be lower. I haven't had the 
time
> > to go
> > > > > and
> > > > >>> research it yet, so if someone knows what the differences
> > are, or
> > > > > has
> > > > >>> the time to go looking, there might be an answer.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Greg,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm busy calibrating Fibaprint Gloss F with a Spectrocam 
and
> > > > >> do not get a higher Dmax than 1.94 with MIS UT PK on an 
Epson
> > > > >> 9000. I do not see much difference between the Status T, 
A or
> > > > >> E with this spectrometer. And the lowest L is 11.80. With 
QTR
> > > > >> I have to limit on 60 in the calibration strip as there's 
no D
> > > > >> gain above that. Boosting doesn't help either. I have 
used the
> > > > >> Premium Glossy Photo Paper setting in QTR but do not 
expect
> > > > >> any difference with other settings and 1440 
unidirectional.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Any suggestions to get a higher Dmax ?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ernst
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Ernst Dinkla
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> www.pigment-print.com
> > > > >> ( unvollendet )
> >> .
> >
> > 
> 
> 
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