Digital BW, The Print

Talk about attacking the messanger.  A "maniac"?  I also find the use of the word jihad way 
over the top, inappropriate, prejudice and much more offensive than any rant about 
Photoshop.  Geez, why reply at all if it bothers you so much.  I think the moderator should 
remove that post.

On Topic, I do beleive that any photoshop printing issues as mentioned below and as they 
relate to printing are rightly described here and this is exactly where that discussion 
belongs IMHO.  For most here, Photoshop is so inseperatable to the process of Digital BW 
that any discussion about Photoshop is relevant if it relates to the above.  Major issues 
would relate.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jrschwaller" <jrs2@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know about anyone else, but I am tired of this ranting maniac.
> 
> I appreciate and have no problem with having a post informing people 
> that CS3 may have printing problems.  However, if I was experiencing 
> problems, I would search/post on the Adobe forums and find out about 
> this fairly easily.
> 
> The problem is I am seeing these ranting, argumentative posts FROM 
> THIS ONE PERSON on just about every forum I read relative to printing.
> 
> I don't care if he is making money or not.  He is on a form of jihad 
> and I would appreciate if he took it "offline".
> 
> John
> 
> BTW...I would never have a problem with PS' printing as I never use 
> it.  Even when it worked it was weak in function.  I use Qimage.  Not 
> necessarily for it's better quality, which it does have, but because 
> of its function and that it makes the printing process easy.  For 
> that same reason, I don't use PS' noise and sharpening tools.  Noise 
> Ninja and Focal Blade (or similar tools) are so much better than the 
> current PS capabilities.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V. 
> Image Service" <editor@> wrote:
> >
> > donbga wrote:
> > 
> > >Eric,
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>Keith you seem to be on a personal war
> > >>path here.
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >
> > >Just read Keith's e-mail signature. That will tell you the whole 
> story.
> > >
> > >Don Bryant
> > > 
> > >  
> > >
> > Don,
> > 
> > I don't often call people simply ignorant.  But:
> > 
> > 1) I'm not an attorney
> > 
> > 2)  I have a history of getting people back money in the inkjet & 
> > printing biz for products that don't perform as advertised.
> > 
> > That history started with getting thousands of people millions of $ 
> back 
> > around the world when EPSON  promised (with the 1280) series, and 
> > endorsed by the PPA,  "Professional prints that last as long as 
> > traditional silver prints."  EPSON refunded not only the cost of 
> > individual printers, BUT also the cost of consumables (including 
> > expended ones) WORLDWIDE, because of the work Bob Meyer, Laurie 
> Solomon, 
> > others and I did - Bruce Fraser even eventually joined with us. And 
> we 
> > received not a dime...
> > 
> > Try this link from 2000 for starters:
> > http://www.p-o-v-image.com/epson/links.htm
> >  
> > So, whether or not, you, care to recognize it or like it, those 
> others 
> > and I ARE considered experts in the digital printing field.
> > 
> > 3) Large corporations have inordinate advantages in preventing 
> consumers 
> > from learning the failures of their products. Read most of the 
> reviews 
> > at most photo or pc publications - everything is great - especially 
> when 
> > it comes from a MAJOR established player in the field. Right now, 
> Adobe 
> > is the only real digital imaging/editing game in town. They surely 
> > aren't going to publicize shortcomings themselves.
> > 
> > 4)  That signature line was added so that I didn't have EPSON and 
> other 
> > vendors suing ME when I told the truth about their products. I'm 
> not 
> > making a cent off of this and never did. However, I'm not about to 
> let 
> > lawyers hit me with a SLAPP lawsuit to shut the truth down. (feel 
> free 
> > to google "SLAPP lawsuit")
> > 
> > Part of it was also added because I had a MAJOR institutional 
> client 
> > take sample images that had been emailed and violate copyright.
> > 
> > Don't believe any of the preceding?  Ask this list's own Paul Roark.
> > 
> > 5)  You've seen the posts on here by others confirming personally 
> some 
> > of the problems.
> > 
> > 6)  Finally, Adobe's new 18 month "ready or not" product cycle and 
> the 
> > new "extended" pricing model (which many discussed here in late 
> April 
> > and early May), means they are forcing more $ from consumers and 
> > breaking the former Adobe paradigm.  When you break the paradigm, 
> you 
> > have a responsibility to produce a MUCH BETTER product. (Which is, 
> by 
> > the way, what they promised.) 
> > 
> > Instead, they've produced what longtime aficionados and lovers of 
> Adobe 
> > software have called "The Worst Photoshop Release Ever."  That's 
> > bass-ackwards and it deserves to be highlighted at least once.  
> Adobe is 
> > using their name and reputation to convince people to buy into an 
> > upgrade that should not have yet shipped. It's a cash-stream play, 
> pure 
> > and simple.
> > 
> > So, please, feel free to blow your ill-informed pontification out 
> of 
> > whatever bodily orifice you prefer.
> > 
> > Oh, and don't you, or didn't you used to, work for a large 
> international 
> > manufacturer of traditional photo supplies as a sales manager?  If 
> so, 
> > you wouldn't have any particular axe to grind on behalf 
> of "unfairly 
> > maligned corporations" when they produce products that get poor 
> > reviews?  Nah...
> > 
> > Don, if you have a personal issue or wish to continue this, I 
> suggest 
> > you email me offlist. I'm not going to debate this part of it 
> further 
> > onlist.
> > 
> >  
> > Keith Krebs
> > 
> > "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON 
> printer 
> > User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
> > Publications), at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
> > and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
> > "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks 
> together 
> > guys"
> > 
> >  
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