Digital BW, The Print

Steve...I'm confused...are you saying you're using Ultrapro Satin E in
some situations? Are you saying their E is NOT stippled or are you
using a different Ultrapro surface? 

More confusion...are you saying Innova's Ultrasmooth Gloss is an RC
paper or are you saying you like it better than RC papers? 

What printer/ink are you using? Have you compared to Kirkland Glossy?

I don't think Kirkland is RC (am I mistaken?). It's certainly among
the whitest papers I've used or seen, though not as white as my
favored cheap matte, the old Moab Kayenta, which is now being renamed
something else and enjoying a price drop. 

John  

(sorry for the hyperventillation about E... I do hate that surface
almost as much as "canvas," though I realize there's utility... :-)



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
Karafyllakis" <stevekphoto@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43" 
> <djon43@> wrote:
> >
> > Why does anyone like "E" surface..which was specifically sold to 
> labs
> > in the beginning as something to please your grandmother and allow
> > labs to use cheaper less-well-trained technicians...it didn't show
> > fingerprints. I remember that intro very clearly, when KODAK rolled 
> it
> > out, followed closely by Ilford's disgusting (!)"Pearl" surface. 
> > 
> > Folks learned to love it, much like Paris Hilton, just as they got
> > used to film damage by minilabs...now they actively like that 
> surface,
> > and even like RC paper...Red River's quite open about why they're
> > selling E.
> > 
> > On the other hand, their N surface RC is CHEAP, which is a big 
> value.
> > Can't imagine it rivals alpha-cellulose matte for beauty, but again,
> > some folks do like RC for their own reasons. ECCCH!
> > 
> > John
> > 
> A bit stridently put, but I can understand that point of view 
> perfectly well. Notice I said 'semi-matte', as in no stipple texture, 
> which is my preference.  It makes a great deal of difference what 
> your final presentation will be, as I'm sure you realize. I've found 
> that under glass, surface texture is minimized, but a color mismatch 
> with your matboard is still perfectly obvious, so I'm willing to try 
> an E surface paper to get a better match. 
> 
> My favorite of the PK papers so far is Innova's Ultrasmooth Gloss 
> which is billed as 'bright white' as well as very glossy. I consider 
> it neither: it is warmer than most RC papers, and has a very pleasing 
> soft gloss and texture that is to my eye as close to air-dried fiber 
> glossy as I will ever need to come. But at 1.80 a sheet I will 
> reserve it for my higher priced prints. I also have an ongoing need 
> for cheap prints that will hold up well, though not necessarily to 
> full archival standards. I'm still searching....
> 
> Steven Karafyllakis
> 
> P.S. SOME people may have gotten used to Paris Hilton and her 
> shenanigans, but don't count me among them!!!
>