Digital BW, The Print

>...
> I am using your curve for epson premium semigloss and I am really happy
> with it. No strange reflexion just perfect prints

As it should be -- I get confused by my own creations sometimes.  The curves
cut out the Eboni and use the dark gray inks to generate the black.


> > If you want to get into QTR and doing your own profiling, 
> > which I certainly recommend for those who are comfortable 
> > with such, then I'd recommend the
> > route I last used with my 2200.  See
> > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4K+.pdf 

> I have read it through
> Do I understand it correctly that
> 
> these are same as in UT7 ink sets?
> 
> - MK (MIS Eboni, in the K position),

Eboni is the same.

> - PK (MIS MP-PK, in the Cyan position),

UT7 does not have this ink in the mix.

 
> these are from UT-3D ink sets
> - LK (MIS K4-LK, in the LK position),

No, the K4 LK is not in the 3D inkset.



> - LLK (MIS K4-LLK, in the M position),

You'll have to hand load this.



> 
> > They you still have room for LM and LC for tone control and Glop for
> 
> LM and LC from UT7 or from UT-3D?

No, get them from the color pigment set for the 2100/2200.  Consider the
Epson OEM LM.


> > If you're the type that uses a loupe to
> > inspect your highlights, you can go to the "LLC" diluted LC,
> >  but it's really not necessary for the 2200.
 
> I can always try and see right?

Yes.  And the profiles you make for one work with the other just by doubling
or halving the ink load, as appropriate.


> > Once you learn QTR, and it's not hard, the options are wide ranging.
 
> Would be this 4K+ aproach than specific for my printer or I could share
> my curves for QTR with others?

The curves are similar only if the others use the same inks.  I'm not sure
how many are using this combination.

 
> > The main issue with this setup is that you will have to 
> > hand load the LLK into a 2200 cart.  All the other materials 
> > should be available pre- loaded,
 
> I do buy 4 oz bottles and load cartridges myself. Works perfectly.
> My question about UT7 was inspired by idea to reuse what I already have
> and only buy new things.

Unfortunately, there is no overlap except for the Eboni MK.

> Can you tell me why do you like Epson LM?

It's more lightfast according to my tests.  It's the only position where
Epson beats the MIS inks.

> And about GLOP for mixing the other inks?
> Is is same as base? I have some GLOP still available.

The newer Glop is the same as the glossy base, which MIS does not sell
independently, I believe.  For matte paper, the older clear base is fine,
but it bronzes badly on glossy papers.

Actually, I'm thinking of using the old MIS UC base for dilution in my 7500.
It contains no binder at all.  I'm suspicious that dilute inks are using too
much binder per pigment particle when the same base is used for all.  With
Epson UC pigments, I've successfully used a mix of 4 parts distilled water
to 3 parts glycerol.  It appeared to work well with as little bronzing as
I've seen in a base.  That is another possibility that might be worth
considering.

> Does it effect DMAX on mat papers?

Don't use glop on a matte paper.  If you put it on the 100% black spot, it
will probably reduce dmax.

> The major problem I see in understanding QTR
> but even more mixing of inks.
 
> As you mentioned in 4k+ pdf:
> - 5th position could be 1/3LLK and 2/3 Base (GLOP)
> - 6th position 1/2 Ligh Cyan + 1/2 Base (GLOP)
> 
> How do I mix them? I am afraid to make a mess. Can I use syringe for
> measurement and just filled new empty bottles and than just shake them
> to mix properly?

A good scales is how I measure the ratios.  Syringes are fine, however.
They mix easily.  It's all mostly water.  Mix them the same way you'd mix
anything.  I have beakers, but must pouring the components into any clean
container or bottle and stirring with a clean utensil or agitating in any
way will do it.

> Paul sorry for rather basic questions but I never made inks myself.

There is no magic in the simple mixing I and the retail outlets do.  The
hard parts are done by companies above those we deal with.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com