Hey Ernst, You wrote: You really let one user experience decide what the quality of HP's service is or the quality of the Z3100 ? I assume you meant the guy in the blog post, and not me, but I just want to clarify that I in no way endorse the position of the guy in that post. I know you own a Z, so I defer to your experience. I agree with you, that this is the experience of just one user. I just wanted to point out that when that printer was announced, many people on all of these lists were over the top exuberant about it - and rightly so - it had a grand list of specs. But at the end of the day, it's a printer . . . it has strengths and weaknesses - even if they are different strengths and weaknesses than an Epson. Many (even most) people on this list use Epson printers, and we discuss their weaknesses and work-arounds for those weaknesses day in and day out. The Z also has weaknesses, as I am sure you can attest, they just aren't as widely known because there are so many fewer machines in the wild. In the end, you gave the best advice of all - "do more research". Sorry Tony if I misled you on the Z. I'm sure it's a wonderful device, but at the end of the day, you're going to have to learn it's strengths/weakness and develop a workflow that fits them just like you will with an Epson. Keep us posted on what your experience. Good luck. Josh On Dec 20, 2007 10:54 AM, Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@...> wrote: > Tony Sleep wrote: > > > Thanks Josh, that is exactly the sort of real-life horror I was hoping > to > > learn about. If HP US support is that awful, HP UK will for sure be much > > worse - and of course the printer itself costs more here too. It's bad > > enough when cheap kit is a PITA, unthinkable at this price level. > > > > I've also belatedly found long discussions of paper feed issues and > > gamut/profiling problems (which may have been resolved in firmware > > upgrades). A shame 'cos the z3100 B&W's I saw were the closest to good > wet > > process prints I have ever seen. > > > > You really let one user experience decide what the quality > of HP's service is or the quality of the Z3100 ? > > I get the impression that Paul Butzi still likes the Z3100 > prints. > > Lots of discussions with pros and cons and there are of > course real issues but I think you should read a bit more to > get a balanced view of that printer and the ones of the > competition. Luminous Landscapes forum is a good one to > start I think. Like in many forums the problems come first > but you may read between the lines that many are very happy > with this printer. > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst > > > | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | > | www.pigment-print.com | > | ( unvollendet ) | > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] HP Z3100
2007-12-20 by Josh Hackney
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