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Re: Have I missed a point regarding potential fading Epson dye stability here ?

2002-02-04 by bill_bergh

This list seems like a sales pitch for MIS - I have long wondered if these guys work there are get free materials for their endorsements.
-FR

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "aphoto23" <photo23@p...> wrote:
> I submit this to this list as this is the list of relative experts. I 
> reference color, but most or all on this list are well versed in the 
> realm of ink fading or potential light deterioration of Epson dye and 
> MIS pigments. Which is my subject at hand.
> 
> I have my dedicated B&W 1160 aside, for the moment, until MIS 
> completes the mixing of the sepia ink. After printing several 
> beautiful 8x10s from an Epson 880, with the original Epson cartridge, 
> in color, and leaving them out on a lawn chair in the sun for 10 
> days, day and night, I see zero fading or degradation of any kind. 
> None. 'Even one unexpected rainstorm failed to deteriorate the prints.
> 
> Have I missed a point regarding potential fading here ? 
> 
> They are printed on Epson Archival Matte. With the original Epson 
> cartridge, which I presume to be 100 dye based. 
> 
> The MIS archival color pigments cost 3 times as much as the cloned 
> dye mixture. And the dyes would seem to be, if anything, more likely 
> to be safer in terms of clogging, and their gamut being greater than 
> the MIS archival color pigments seems to be given, from what I can 
> gather.
> 
> These are shots that I spent much Photoshop and Extensis Intellihance 
> time on and previously printed out up to 13x19 in Grayscale on the 
> 1160, so they were already as maxed out as they could likely get in 
> terms of enhancement, but this would not relate to the non-fading 
> factor.
> 
> I am about to order a CIS/CFS and want to choose the inks. 
> 
> 1 - Have the (880) dyes been possibly been given a bum rap due to the 
> orange shift and fading in other Epson ink sets ?
> 
> 2 - Might it be as much a factor of the paper - that instigates the 
> problem of fading with this or other Epson dye based inks ?
> 
> All in all, I hope that Paul and Jerry O. and others might have a few 
> words to say as to the need or not to go with MIS Pigments rather 
> than MIS "exactly the same" Epson dye based bulk ink for my CIS/CFS.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> J. F. Johnson

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