Digital BW, The Print

I meant "not having"

On 11 Feb 2008, at 06:47, Steve Kale wrote:

> This same topic comes up with about the same level of repetition.  I
> agree with the statement that printing is a craft (but that wasn't
> the original comment that sparked the conversation).  This list then
> is about craft not art and hence intricately entwined with
> conversations about technique, equipment and materials.  However, I
> still refute the notion that having a good understanding of these
> items is a basic need of an artist.  You can't make a photo (to
> outsource a print) if you can't operate your camera.  If you want end-
> to-end control over the expression of your vision, and you intend to
> exhibit a print, then understanding printing techniques, equipment
> and materials is beneficial also.
>
>
> On 11 Feb 2008, at 00:34, Robert W Shearer wrote:
>
>> Yes, the best analysis so far. This seems to be a bit of a touchy
>> subject.
>> This looks like a new addition to the Windows/Apple, Nikon/Canon,
>> Life v
>> Death hardcore issues. Did not know that I was going there!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gary
>> Weaver
>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:59 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Exhibition Fiber - A Review
>>
>> I half disagree. Printing is a craft. Creating the image is the art.
>>
>> gar
>>
>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>
>> On 2/10/08 at 2:10 PM CorrPro96@... wrote:
>>
>>> I have to disagree.
>>> Photography has always been about the craft first, the art second
>> and the
>>> technical in terms of feasibility... whether or not it is possible.
>>> Digital has provided the technology that has enabled the craft and
>> the art
>>>
>>> to reach into areas beyond photography, using the photographic
>> processes.
>>>
>>> Richard Massie
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 2/10/2008 1:58:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> nemophoto@... writes:
>>>
>>> . Photography
>>> has always been about the technical, we just never called it that,
>>> because computers weren't involved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL
>> Music.
>>> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?
>> NCID=aolcmp003000
>> 000025
>>> 48)
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
>> resources as
>>> they are often being updated.
>>>
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>>>
>>> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you
>> wish to
>>> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting
>> this same
>>> page.
>>>
>>> Please follow these basic guidelines:
>>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages
>> to keep
>>> them short.
>>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
>> flames.
>>> Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
>>> membership without notice.
>>> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of
>> digital B&W
>>> printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be
>> removed from
>>> the membership.
>>> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
>>> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group
>> Owner
>>> and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files
>>> section:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>>>
>>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>> PRINT
>>> YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND
>>> MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE
>> LIABLE TO
>>> YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR
>>> EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF
>>> PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE
>>> OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE
>> BEEN
>>> ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i)
>> THE USE
>>> OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii)
>>> UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR
>> DATA; (iii)
>>> STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE  
>>> PRINT
>>> YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW,  
>>> THE
>>> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
>> resources as
>> they are often being updated.
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>>
>> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you
>> wish to
>> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting
>> this same
>> page.
>>
>> Please follow these basic guidelines:
>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages
>> to keep
>> them short.
>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
>> flames.
>> Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
>> membership without notice.
>> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital
>> B&W
>> printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be
>> removed from
>> the membership.
>> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
>> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group
>> Owner and
>> Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files
>> section:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>>
>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>> PRINT
>> YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND
>> MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE
>> LIABLE TO YOU
>> FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR
>> EXEMPLARY
>> DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
>> GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER
>> AND
>> MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED
>> OF THE
>> POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE
>> INABILITY
>> TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED
>> ACCESS TO OR
>> ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
>> CONDUCT OF ANY
>> THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY
>> OTHER
>> MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other  
> resources as they are often being updated.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you  
> wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by  
> visiting this same page.
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages  
> to keep them short.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or  
> flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed  
> from the membership without notice.
> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital  
> B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be  
> removed from the membership.
> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules  
> and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the  
> group Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines”  
> in the Files section:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>
> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE  
> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “ 
> OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL  
> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,  
> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,  
> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER  
> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL  
> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF  
> SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE  
> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO  
> OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR  
> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO  
> GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE  
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>