Tim Atherton wrote: > great stuff Clayton - very useful > > i don't suppose you've had any traditional silver > gelatin prints (Fibre and RC?) testing alongside > all these have you? I want to add my support to Clayton's fade testing. All the informal testing does add to the general knowledge base even if controls and numbers are lacking. Moreover, the non-accelerated, perfect tests simply do not exist and would take way too long even if all the variables could be eliminated. We'll all be dead by the time there is enough data to be useful. So, I wish those doing the more perfect tests the best of luck, but we need to move forward based on what is doable within our time frames. Luckily, B&W is much simpler than color, and carbon has a very long history. I have put silver gelatin test strips in with my fluorescent light fade tests. They are rock solid, with barely measurable yellowing. Only the best pure carbon on non-brightened paper has a chance of being in the same league. As a practical matter, the pure carbon (Eboni) and the silver print change so little in a "Wilhelm decade" that I simply don't worry much about that any more. I don't have the time or patience to test to the point where fade is an issue. In the real world, my old silver prints are showing some yellowing of the paper due to atmospheric pollution -- acids, I assume. (At one point I found an RIT paper that also found the atmospheric issues were, in the real world, what was limiting silver printn lives.) I also find in the old photo digital restorations I do that physical damage, including cracking of the emulsion surfaces is the worst problem. Resistance to airborne acids may be where our buffered inkjet papers will prove to be superior. I also think the Art Care matte board may be a good investment. (The alpha cellulose versions are not that expensive at Michaels.) With respect to cracking, I, frankly, don't trust any of the plastic papers -- inkjet or silver, but I know Kodak and others will argue otherwise. I just don't think one can expect a sandwich of substances with differential expansion factors to not show the effects of the internal stresses such will involve -- but we'll all be dead before that shows up. Sadly, as complex as some think fade testing is, accelerated "age" testing is much more complex and uncertain. Some of the companies that even make the products in that area are basically just shoving things into an oven -- crude. We basically have to rely on the history of similar papers and pigments/dyes (and gas attacks) to guess what will happen due to non-light aging factors. So, the cyan that is do solid in visible light fade testing just happens to be weak with respect to other factors (and some UV). Thus my solution for B&W -- simply get ALL the color out of the image and learn to control the best carbon possible. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
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Silver print fade test comparison (was Silver Rag / K3 Fade Test Report)
2008-04-01 by pr_roark
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