Digital BW, The Print

Eric, This is a matter for you and your attorney. You won't find a
convincing answer unless you pay for it because you believe what you
believe...always a mistake. 

"Giclee" wasn't in "common use" until it was cooked up for marketing
purposes, then appropriated by others who didn't want to let their
customers know they were doing common inkjets. "Levis" is in common
use, but you might not want to use it as a label for Indonesian
knockoffs...

"Photograph" is a generic term for optical, and perhaps scanned
image-making. It commonly includes video and motion picture as well.
It doesn't refer to silver film, color slides, digital files or
anything technical whatsoever. Commonly we make a distinction between
halftone prints (as in magazines, books, and serigraphs) and items
that are closer to the camera, but digital technology is blurring that.

PT Barnum invented "Giclee."

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "E Neilsen"
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
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> There is no copyright violation to selling a Giclee. That would be like
> saying it a copyright violation to sell a photograph. There may be a
group
> of people selling "Giclee" prints but they can not copyright a term
that is
> a term in common use. If this is true, please direct us to ANY post
which
> spells this out. If you don't belong to their group you may not sell a
> "certified" with their label I suppose, but your statement here
leave a lot
> to be explained.
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> Eric
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> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
djon43
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:43 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re:Dry mounting digital prints?
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> Everybody here knows "Giclee" is a marketing system and bogus label,
> not a process. And it's a copywrite violation to use the term if one
> isn't paying to take part in the hustle. "Giclee" is exactly the same
> conceptually as "Big Mac"...not a burger, a specific brand of burger..
> inferior and easily marketed.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Weaver"
> <garww@> wrote:
> >
> > My working outlook, too.
> > 
> > I like to point out to people that the coffee table books seem to
> have reproductions they don't complain about. It's just a different
> process.
> > 
> > gar
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> > On 9/18/2008 at 9:22 AM ben schneider wrote:
> > 
> > >Portraits, and Commercial prints are mostly framed without a
> matte.  Dry
> > >mounting is necessary to keep the print flat, especially when no
> glass is
> > >put into the frame.  I normally lacquer all of the prints that do
> not have
> > >glass over them.
> > >
> > >I chose to float, or hinge mount prints that are matted, because
it is
> > >reversible.  One can change the matte and backing if necessary. 
When I
> > >print the print, it is on a slightly larger sheet.  I sign that
> sheet, as
> > >well as the matte.  The extra paper that extends past the image
> helps to
> > >keep the print flat under the matte.
> > >
> > >I also think of Ink Jet Prints as being different then
Photographs.  I
> > >have argued this ethical, and aesthetic point many times.  I consider
> > >Silver/Gelatin prints a whole other class of art, digital ink jet
> printing
> > >another.  When I sell digitally produced images, I do not call them
> > >photographs.  I sell them as Giclee Prints.  Adding this title to
them,
> > >makes people think they are more exclusive.  
> > >
> > >Personally I consider injet printing more akin to Lithography as a
> print
> > >class.  Images made from cyan, magenta, yellow, and black ink dots on
> > >paper.  It is just the method of applying the ink that is different.
> > >
> > >Ben
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