When you print the target without color management, it prints correctly, which looks too dark. That is not an intent issue, it is a misperception regarding how a raw target should look: it should be dark, and may well have a color cast. That's the info we need to correct for the printer's native state. Older printer models are worse, when uncorrected, thwn more recent ones. C. D. Tobie WW Product Technology Mngr. Digital Imaging & Home Theater DataColor.com CDTobie@... On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:08 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...> wrote: > Let me expand on what I just said – when I print the 729 targets fro > m Spyder Print the colors are too dark. The same happens when I prin > t from within Photoshop and select relative colorimetric. When I sel > ect saturation or perceptual I get much more reasonable colors – sti > ll darker than what I’m seeing on screen (I profiled the monitor wit > h Elite) but what else is new. I’m getting more confused here, and t > he help files don’t….ummm..help. I’m printing with the OEM > color set on the 2200 for starters but I want to get this nailed dow > n before I move on to dedicated B&W sets. > > > >>> OK – but when I’m printing from Photoshop and letting the printe >>> r manage the colors (no color management checked in the printer >>> driver of course) I still have the option to select a rendering >>> intent. Do the intents matter ? I see minor differences when >>I >>> switch intents…. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Brian Corll > > 1002 East Simpson Street > > Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 > > Tel.: (717) 691-0286 > > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Cdtobie > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:35 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks > > > > Targets aren't printed from a colorspace; they are printed raw, > defining the printer's native space. Since there is no conversion, the > target prints the same from sRGB or aRGB. > > C. D. Tobie > WW Product Technology Mngr. > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > DataColor.com > CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com> > > On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:25 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll > %40comcast.net> > > wrote: > >> And does it matter if I print the targets with the Adobe RGB color >> space >> instead of sRGB if I'm always printing with Adobe RGB ? I don't see >> why it >> should. >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> Brian Corll >> >> >> >> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> %40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> %40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of >> cdtobie >> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:40 PM >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> %40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll" >> <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> >> <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> > >> wrote: >> >> Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed >> somewhere. >> I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David. >> ___ >> Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the >> Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with >> Paper Relative Grays instead. >> -- >> C. 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Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
2008-12-12 by Cdtobie