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Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-10 by Brian Corll

I just received my Spyder 3 Studio and I'm looking at the targets and the
profiling procedure in the help file. I understand how to profile using the
standard targets with color inks or the "extended grays" targets (which use
some color inks), but what do I do when I am printing with dedicated B&W
inks like the MIS UT or Piezo sets ? Can I use the QTR images ? Simply print
the color targets provided in gray-scale ?? I'm being lazy here and asking
some initial questions to put me on the fast track. Print profiling is new
to me, and I'd like to master it as quickly as possible.J 

-----------------------------------------------------

Brian Corll



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Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-10 by cdtobie

On Dec 10, 2008, at 4:45:56 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...> 
wrote:

I just received my Spyder 3 Studio and I'm looking at the targets and 
the
profiling procedure in the help file. I understand how to profile 
using the
standard targets with color inks or the "extended grays" targets 
(which use
some color inks), but what do I do when I am printing with dedicated 
B&W
inks like the MIS UT or Piezo sets ? Can I use the QTR images ? Simply 
print
the color targets provided in gray-scale ?? I'm being lazy here and 
asking
some initial questions to put me on the fast track. Print profiling is 
new
to me, and I'd like to master it as quickly as possible
Either use a B&W inkset that is capable of printing via the RGB 
driver, and profile it with Spyder3Print just like a color inkset, or 
with other B&W inksets, use QTR to print, and its accessory CreateICC 
to build curve sets in the form of profiles. You can use Spyder3Print 
to measure targets for linearizing QTR, and reading patches for 
CreateICC, though you'll need some info on the process.
--
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/spyder3


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Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-10 by Jon Cone

David,

Can you detail the process how someone would make their own set of
seven curves with Spyder for QTR and the Piezography K7 inks? That
would be of great interest I think to K7 QTR users. 

Thanks,

Jon Cone



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, cdtobie
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> 
> or 
> with other B&W inksets, use QTR to print, and its accessory CreateICC 
> to build curve sets in the form of profiles. You can use Spyder3Print 
> to measure targets for linearizing QTR, and reading patches for 
> CreateICC, though you'll need some info on the process.
> --
> C. David Tobie
> WW Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor
> CDTobie@...
> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by Cdtobie

One would make them exactly like with the EyeOne, but using our  
spectro to measure the patches and export the measurements. Sorry to  
dodge the question, but that's the QTR end of things, not the  
Spyder3Print end. I'd be happy to answer Spyder related questions.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...
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On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:48 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:

> David,
>
> Can you detail the process how someone would make their own set of
> seven curves with Spyder for QTR and the Piezography K7 inks? That
> would be of great interest I think to K7 QTR users.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon Cone
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, cdtobie
> <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> or
>> with other B&W inksets, use QTR to print, and its accessory CreateICC
>> to build curve sets in the form of profiles. You can use Spyder3Print
>> to measure targets for linearizing QTR, and reading patches for
>> CreateICC, though you'll need some info on the process.
>> --
>> C. David Tobie
>> WW Product Technology Manager
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> Datacolor
>> CDTobie@...
>> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by Ernst Dinkla

Brian Corll wrote:
> I just received my Spyder 3 Studio and I'm looking at the targets and the
> profiling procedure in the help file. I understand how to profile using the
> standard targets with color inks or the "extended grays" targets (which use
> some color inks), but what do I do when I am printing with dedicated B&W
> inks like the MIS UT or Piezo sets ? Can I use the QTR images ? Simply print
> the color targets provided in gray-scale ?? I'm being lazy here and asking
> some initial questions to put me on the fast track. Print profiling is new
> to me, and I'd like to master it as quickly as possible.J 

Is there any list created with L or D numbers that you can 
save or is that list hidden in the software directory or 
worse encrypted and only temp. available ?

If there's a list there are ways to use QTR applications for 
partitioning and profiling.
I'm using a SpectroCam that isn't a common meter but it 
delivers the data in more than one form.
If there's no list then you  could look for a possible open 
source driver for that instrument.
ArgyllCMS, LCMS,

-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst


|  Dinkla Grafische Techniek  |
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Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by pr_roark

> >... I'm looking at the targets and the
> > profiling procedure in the help file.

This is the 21-Step I use most of the time:

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/21-Step_0-100_L16_16-bit-top.zip 


> > ... what do I do when I am printing with dedicated B&W
> > inks like the MIS UT or Piezo sets ? Can I use the QTR images ? 

Read Tom Moore's tutorial that ships with QTR.  To make profiles for 
the rip, first print a Calibration Mode print at 100%.  (Tools > 
Options > Calibration Mode)  That prints out 21-step test files for 
all the inks.  This gives you information about what the ink limits 
are for the inks.  

For example, use the spectro to see what the darkest black patch is.

The dilute inks will often not hit peak density until 100%, but look 
at them with a magnifying hood and you'll often see that they start 
getting rough quite a bit below that.  Set their limits such that 
they are smooth.  The short cut is to just use the K limit as the 
default and leave all else blank.  I now often set the K limit at 10 
below the actual deepest black and put the actual K limit in the 
Black Boost, which puts a very sharp slope at the end of the K 
curve.  Given how flat the response curve is there, it works well.

A second Calibration print is done at the K ink limit.  This is used 
to compare dilute ink densities to K.  K = 100, the others are the K 
% that equals the darkest patch of the dilute inks.  The lightest ink 
may be close to 2% if you're using a K6 or K7.  You might have to 
interpolate between the K patches to get the number.


> Is there any list created with L or D numbers that you can 
> save or is that list hidden in the software directory or 
> worse encrypted and only temp. available ?

When you use the spectro, you "measure" and in that box "export" to 
the named file.

I have a shortcut on my desktop that takes me to
"C:\Program Files\ColorVision\PrintFIX PRO\Data\Export"
which is where my version stores the text files with the Lab 
information.

This saves a lot of time.

I open the PFP text files with Excel and "graph" them (highlight 
column, click on Insert > Chart > Line.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by cdtobie

On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:54:20 AM, "Ernst Dinkla" <edinkla@...> wrote:

Is there any list created with L or D numbers that you can 
save or is that list hidden in the software directory or 
worse encrypted and only temp. available ?
___
Spyder3Print can export Lab or Density values to a file for any set of measurements you take, and includes a format especially for QTR, to minimize manipulation needed to use values with QTR and CreateICC.
--
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/spyder3


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RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by Brian Corll

David,

Just made my first Spyder3 Print profile today. I did a profile for Epson
Enhanced Matte paper on the Epson 2200 using standard OEM inks. I add the
extended grays to the profile. When printing a duotone version of my
grayscale file (converted to RGB after toning) I get a greenish cast to
every test print. When printing the same file using just the color profile I
created (no extended grays) the image is OK (dark, but OK colorwise). What
is going on with the extended grays version of my color profile ?

 

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Brian Corll
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On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:54:20 AM, "Ernst Dinkla" <edinkla@...
<mailto:edinkla%40onsneteindhoven.nl> > wrote:

Is there any list created with L or D numbers that you can 
save or is that list hidden in the software directory or 
worse encrypted and only temp. available ?
___
Spyder3Print can export Lab or Density values to a file for any set of
measurements you take, and includes a format especially for QTR, to minimize
manipulation needed to use values with QTR and CreateICC.
--
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com> 
www.datacolor.com/spyder3






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RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by cdtobie

On Dec 11, 2008, at 2:56:15 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...> wrote:

Just made my first Spyder3 Print profile today. I did a profile for Epson
Enhanced Matte paper on the Epson 2200 using standard OEM inks. I add the
extended grays to the profile. When printing a duotone version of my
grayscale file (converted to RGB after toning) I get a greenish cast to
every test print. When printing the same file using just the color profile I
created (no extended grays) the image is OK (dark, but OK colorwise). What
is going on with the extended grays version of my color profile ?
___
Well, you may have done something wrong with your printing of the gray target, or somewhere else in the process, as common sense would say that the grays are no more green when you read a lot of patches for them, then when you read fewer. I'd start by printing the extended grays target again, with care taken to be sure that color management is off in the driver, and see if it looks different than the first time. If it does, then that was the problem. 
--
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/spyder3


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RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by Brian Corll

Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed somewhere.
I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.

 

-----------------------------------------------------

Brian Corll
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Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

 


On Dec 11, 2008, at 2:56:15 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...
<mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> > wrote:

Just made my first Spyder3 Print profile today. I did a profile for Epson
Enhanced Matte paper on the Epson 2200 using standard OEM inks. I add the
extended grays to the profile. When printing a duotone version of my
grayscale file (converted to RGB after toning) I get a greenish cast to
every test print. When printing the same file using just the color profile I
created (no extended grays) the image is OK (dark, but OK colorwise). What
is going on with the extended grays version of my color profile ?
___
Well, you may have done something wrong with your printing of the gray
target, or somewhere else in the process, as common sense would say that the
grays are no more green when you read a lot of patches for them, then when
you read fewer. I'd start by printing the extended grays target again, with
care taken to be sure that color management is off in the driver, and see if
it looks different than the first time. If it does, then that was the
problem. 
--
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com> 
www.datacolor.com/spyder3

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RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by cdtobie

On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...> 
wrote:

Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed 
somewhere.
I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.
___
Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the 
Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with 
Paper Relative Grays instead.
--
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/spyder3


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RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by Brian Corll

On the 2200 driver that I have (5.9 for Windows) there is no selection for
either absolute grays or paper relative grays. One other question - which
rendering intent should I be using ? I printed the first targets from the
Spyder3 software but am now trying prints from Photoshop.

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On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...
<mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> > 
wrote:

Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed 
somewhere.
I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.
___
Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the 
Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with 
Paper Relative Grays instead.
--
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com> 
www.datacolor.com/spyder3






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RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by Brian Corll

And does it matter if I print the targets with the Adobe RGB color space
instead of sRGB if I'm always printing with Adobe RGB ? I don't see why it
should.

 

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On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...
<mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> > 
wrote:

Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed 
somewhere.
I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.
___
Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the 
Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with 
Paper Relative Grays instead.
--
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com> 
www.datacolor.com/spyder3






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Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by Cdtobie

Targets aren't printed from a colorspace; they are printed raw,  
defining the printer's native space. Since there is no conversion, the  
target prints the same from sRGB or aRGB.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:25 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...>  
wrote:
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> And does it matter if I print the targets with the Adobe RGB color  
> space
> instead of sRGB if I'm always printing with Adobe RGB ? I don't see  
> why it
> should.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian Corll
>
>
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  
> cdtobie
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:40 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...
> <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> >
> wrote:
>
> Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed
> somewhere.
> I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.
> ___
> Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the
> Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with
> Paper Relative Grays instead.
> --
> C. David Tobie
> WW Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com>
> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-11 by Brian Corll

OK – but when I’m printing from Photoshop and letting the printer manage the colors (no color management checked in the printer driver of course) I still have the option to select a rendering intent. Do the intents matter ? I see minor differences when I switch intents….

 

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Targets aren't printed from a colorspace; they are printed raw, 
defining the printer's native space. Since there is no conversion, the 
target prints the same from sRGB or aRGB.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com> 

On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:25 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> > 
wrote:

> And does it matter if I print the targets with the Adobe RGB color 
> space
> instead of sRGB if I'm always printing with Adobe RGB ? I don't see 
> why it
> should.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian Corll
>
>
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of 
> cdtobie
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> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...t <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> 
> <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> >
> wrote:
>
> Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed
> somewhere.
> I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.
> ___
> Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the
> Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with
> Paper Relative Grays instead.
> --
> C. David Tobie
> WW Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com>  <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com>
> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH D 
> AMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIG 
> ITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTER 
> ATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF 
> ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) AN 
> Y OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-12 by Brian Corll

Let me expand on what I just said – when I print the 729 targets from Spyder Print the colors are too dark. The same happens when I print from within Photoshop and select relative colorimetric. When I select saturation or perceptual I get much more reasonable colors – still darker than what I’m seeing on screen (I profiled the monitor with Elite) but what else is new. I’m getting more confused here, and the help files don’t….ummm..help. I’m printing with the OEM color set on the 2200 for starters but I want to get this nailed down before I move on to dedicated B&W sets.

 

>>OK – but when I’m printing from Photoshop and letting the printer manage the colors (no color management checked in the printer driver of course) I still have the option to select a rendering intent. Do the intents matter ? I see minor differences when >>I switch intents….



 

-----------------------------------------------------

Brian Corll

1002 East Simpson Street

Mechanicsburg, PA 17055

Tel.: (717) 691-0286
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:35 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

 

Targets aren't printed from a colorspace; they are printed raw, 
defining the printer's native space. Since there is no conversion, the 
target prints the same from sRGB or aRGB.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@DataColor.com <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com> 

On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:25 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> > 
wrote:

> And does it matter if I print the targets with the Adobe RGB color 
> space
> instead of sRGB if I'm always printing with Adobe RGB ? I don't see 
> why it
> should.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian Corll
>
>
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of 
> cdtobie
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:40 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> 
> <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> >
> wrote:
>
> Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed
> somewhere.
> I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.
> ___
> Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the
> Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with
> Paper Relative Grays instead.
> --
> C. David Tobie
> WW Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com>  <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com>
> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH D 
> AMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIG 
> ITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTER 
> ATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF 
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> Y OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-12 by Cdtobie

When the printer manages color it's still doing a conversion, so can  
still use a rendering intent. When there is no color conversion (as  
when a target is printed), there can be no intent used either.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@DataColor.com

On Dec 11, 2008, at 6:49 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@comcast.net>  
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> OK – but when I’m printing from Photoshop and letting the printer  
> manage the colors (no color management checked in the printer driver 
>  of course) I still have the option to select a rendering intent. Do 
>  the intents matter ? I see minor differences when I switch intents 
> ….
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian Corll
>
> 1002 East Simpson Street
>
> Mechanicsburg, PA 17055
>
> Tel.: (717) 691-0286
>
>
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m 
> ] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:35 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>
>
>
> Targets aren't printed from a colorspace; they are printed raw,
> defining the printer's native space. Since there is no conversion, the
> target prints the same from sRGB or aRGB.
>
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com>
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:25 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll 
> %40comcast.net> >
> wrote:
>
>> And does it matter if I print the targets with the Adobe RGB color
>> space
>> instead of sRGB if I'm always printing with Adobe RGB ? I don't see
>> why it
>> should.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Brian Corll
>>
>>
>>
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint 
>> %40yahoogroups.com>
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint 
>> %40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
>> cdtobie
>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:40 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint 
>> %40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll"  
>> <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net>
>> <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed
>> somewhere.
>> I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.
>> ___
>> Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the
>> Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with
>> Paper Relative Grays instead.
>> --
>> C. David Tobie
>> WW Product Technology Manager
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> Datacolor
>> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com>  <mailto:CDTobie 
>> %40datacolor.com>
>> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
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>>
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>> MAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE L
>> OSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW,
>> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH D
>> AMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIG
>> ITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTER
>> ATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF
>> ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) AN
>> Y OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF  
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>
>

Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-12 by Cdtobie

When you print the target without color management, it prints  
correctly, which looks too dark. That is not an intent issue, it is a  
misperception regarding how a raw target should look: it should be  
dark, and may well have a color cast. That's the info we need to  
correct for the printer's native state. Older printer models are  
worse, when uncorrected, thwn more recent ones.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:08 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...>  
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Let me expand on what I just said – when I print the 729 targets fro 
> m Spyder Print the colors are too dark. The same happens when I prin 
> t from within Photoshop and select relative colorimetric. When I sel 
> ect saturation or perceptual I get much more reasonable colors – sti 
> ll darker than what I’m seeing on screen (I profiled the monitor wit 
> h Elite) but what else is new. I’m getting more confused here, and t 
> he help files don’t….ummm..help. I’m printing with the OEM  
> color set on the 2200 for starters but I want to get this nailed dow 
> n before I move on to dedicated B&W sets.
>
>
>
>>> OK – but when I’m printing from Photoshop and letting the printe 
>>> r manage the colors (no color management checked in the printer  
>>> driver of course) I still have the option to select a rendering  
>>> intent. Do the intents matter ? I see minor differences when >>I 
>>>  switch intents….
>
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian Corll
>
> 1002 East Simpson Street
>
> Mechanicsburg, PA 17055
>
> Tel.: (717) 691-0286
>
>
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:35 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>
>
>
> Targets aren't printed from a colorspace; they are printed raw,
> defining the printer's native space. Since there is no conversion, the
> target prints the same from sRGB or aRGB.
>
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com>
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:25 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll 
> %40comcast.net> >
> wrote:
>
>> And does it matter if I print the targets with the Adobe RGB color
>> space
>> instead of sRGB if I'm always printing with Adobe RGB ? I don't see
>> why it
>> should.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Brian Corll
>>
>>
>>
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint 
>> %40yahoogroups.com>
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint 
>> %40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
>> cdtobie
>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:40 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint 
>> %40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll"  
>> <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net>
>> <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed
>> somewhere.
>> I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.
>> ___
>> Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the
>> Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with
>> Paper Relative Grays instead.
>> --
>> C. David Tobie
>> WW Product Technology Manager
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> Datacolor
>> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com>  <mailto:CDTobie 
>> %40datacolor.com>
>> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
>> resources as they are often being updated.
>>
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>>
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>>
>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “O 
>> WNE
>> R” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL
>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DA
>> MAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE L
>> OSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW,
>> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH D
>> AMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIG
>> ITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTER
>> ATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF
>> ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) AN
>> Y OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other  
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> AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE  
> LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,  
> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,  
> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE  
> LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT  
> YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES),  
> RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW,  
> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF  
> YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD  
> PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER  
> MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-12 by Brian Corll

Thanks very much, David ! That explains it all. Now to measure 729 little squares….

 

-----------------------------------------------------

Brian Corll

1002 East Simpson Street

Mechanicsburg, PA 17055

Tel.: (717) 691-0286
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:14 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

 

When the printer manages color it's still doing a conversion, so can 
still use a rendering intent. When there is no color conversion (as 
when a target is printed), there can be no intent used either.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@DataColor.com <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com> 

On Dec 11, 2008, at 6:49 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> > 
wrote:

> OK – but when I’m printing from Photoshop and letting the printer 
> manage the colors (no color management checked in the printer driver 
> of course) I still have the option to select a rendering intent. Do 
> the intents matter ? I see minor differences when I switch intents 
> ….
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian Corll
>
> 1002 East Simpson Street
>
> Mechanicsburg, PA 17055
>
> Tel.: (717) 691-0286
>
>
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>  
> ] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:35 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>
>
>
> Targets aren't printed from a colorspace; they are printed raw,
> defining the printer's native space. Since there is no conversion, the
> target prints the same from sRGB or aRGB.
>
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com>  <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com>
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:25 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net>  <mailto:briancorll 
> %40comcast.net> >
> wrote:
>
>> And does it matter if I print the targets with the Adobe RGB color
>> space
>> instead of sRGB if I'm always printing with Adobe RGB ? I don't see
>> why it
>> should.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Brian Corll
>>
>>
>>
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint 
>> %40yahoogroups.com>
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>> cdtobie
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>> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:36:48 PM, "Brian Corll" 
>> <briancorll@... <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net>  <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net>
>> <mailto:briancorll%40comcast.net> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm.I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I may have goofed
>> somewhere.
>> I'll try it again and see how it goes. Thanks, David.
>> ___
>> Another thought, is that for the 2200 you may want to uncheck the
>> Absolute Grays checkbox, and see if you prefer the gray balance with
>> Paper Relative Grays instead.
>> --
>> C. David Tobie
>> WW Product Technology Manager
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> Datacolor
>> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com>  <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com> <mailto:CDTobie 
>> %40datacolor.com>
>> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
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RE: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-12 by Brian Corll

David,

I found this in an old thread:

> 
> What kind of density measurements does the PrintFix Pro make?  Status  A, T 
> or something else? 
> 
> If it doesn't measure Status A, can its measurements be converted to Status  
> A?  How? 
> 
> 

>> Currently Status T Visual... but we're looking at incorporating Status A as 
> >well.

So….how do I use the new StudioPrint to make B&W density measurements for linearization ? Knowing that, it’s simple to plug the values into QTR and create a curve.

 

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Brian Corll
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:14 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

 

When the printer manages color it's still doing a conversion, so can 
still use a rendering intent. When there is no color conversion (as 
when a target is printed), there can be no intent used either.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com> 






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Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-12 by Cdtobie

Seems to work just fine...mostly it's relative anyways, you are just  
evening things out on a relative manner.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:07 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...>  
wrote:
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> David,
>
> I found this in an old thread:
>
>>
>> What kind of density measurements does the PrintFix Pro make?   
>> Status  A, T
>> or something else?
>>
>> If it doesn't measure Status A, can its measurements be converted  
>> to Status
>> A?  How?
>>
>>
>
>>> Currently Status T Visual... but we're looking at incorporating  
>>> Status A as
>>> well.
>
> So….how do I use the new StudioPrint to make B&W density measurement 
> s for linearization ? Knowing that, it’s simple to plug the values i 
> nto QTR and create a curve.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian Corll
>
>
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:14 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>
>
>
> When the printer manages color it's still doing a conversion, so can
> still use a rendering intent. When there is no color conversion (as
> when a target is printed), there can be no intent used either.
>
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-12 by Cdtobie

The other thing to keep in mind is that our product's goal is to build  
ICC profiles. A few users would also like to take spot measurements,  
so we include options for that. And a few older Programs still use  
density values instead of Lab values, so we even added a function for  
that. But the number of people who tinker in the black and white  
profiling area is smaller still; this list represents the majority of  
them. So that has not been a major focus of feature development,  
though I've tried to offer what I can.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:07 PM, "Brian Corll" <briancorll@...>  
wrote:
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> David,
>
> I found this in an old thread:
>
>>
>> What kind of density measurements does the PrintFix Pro make?   
>> Status  A, T
>> or something else?
>>
>> If it doesn't measure Status A, can its measurements be converted  
>> to Status
>> A?  How?
>>
>>
>
>>> Currently Status T Visual... but we're looking at incorporating  
>>> Status A as
>>> well.
>
> So….how do I use the new StudioPrint to make B&W density measurement 
> s for linearization ? Knowing that, it’s simple to plug the values i 
> nto QTR and create a curve.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Brian Corll
>
>
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:14 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks
>
>
>
> When the printer manages color it's still doing a conversion, so can
> still use a rendering intent. When there is no color conversion (as
> when a target is printed), there can be no intent used either.
>
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES),  
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> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF  
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>

Brian and David was Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-12 by Jon Cone

Brian and David,

Its still not clear to me that the Spyder is going to automate
anything for Brian when he tries to profile a dedicated b&w ink. It
seems like if he already knows how to profile a dedicated b&w ink, he
can substitute the measuring device he was using (an Eye1 for example)
with a Spyder. Unless I am mistaken, all the Spyder is going to do is
measure. It does not have any application to make curves, or linearize
curves.

So here is another idea that might get the three of us into a new
quick project that will allow Brian to measure a 256 patch grayscale
target, email me the data, and I will email him back a K7 profile.
Brian would need of course to print the target through QTR and a
Piezography K7 "master curve" which I would send him. David will need
to dimension out the target so the Spyder can read it, and a way for
Brian to save the measured L values into a text file or spread sheet
to send me. 

My Piezography Profiler will make a perfect linearization from the
data - if the data is spot on - this should be a no brainer approach.
 K7 profiles have seven 256 point curves, and I believe Brian will be
hard pressed to try that on his own with QTR curve creator tools. If
we plan a time to do this, I can convert measured data into a curve
set in moments and return for Brian to comment on the results. We can
also confirm a linearization with the same target through the custom
profile.

Normally, I charge $99 for a custom K7 profile that we measure from
our supplied target. But this project might lead to David selling a
few more Spyders and InkjetMall making lower cost custom profiles for
Spyder owners who use K7 inks. There are a ton of K7 users but very
few own a Spyder. We do not even sell the Spyder at InkjetMall.

it would look something like this

1) Jon emails Brian a 2200 Master Curve
2) Brian install the curve into QTR
3) David creates a 256 patch grayscale target (0-255) that is
dimensionally correct for the spyder.
4) Brian prints the target through the master curve.
5) David figures out a way for Brian to send Jon a CSV or Excel spread
of the 256 measurements with only the L values.
6) Brian measures the printed target with the Spyder, and emails Jon
the data.
7) Jon plugs the data into the Piezography Profiler and produce a set
of seven curves each with 256 data points that form a perfect
linearization for Brian's printer, and emails it back to Brian to
install in QTR.
8) Brian reprints the 256 patch target through the custom profile,
measures the data and sends to Jon for confirmation.
9) Jon plugs data into Piezography Profiler to confirm its linear.
10) Brian prints his photos with confidence.


No charge on this end for these experiments if David will give it a go.

If it works, and I do not see why it would not, anyone with a Spyder
could print and measure a target and email the data back to me, and
get a custom profile back in moments.


regards,

Jon Cone

Re: [Digital BW] Profiling with Dedicated B&W Inks

2008-12-12 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 12/11/08 4:23:41 PM, briancorll@... writes:


> On the 2200 driver that I have (5.9 for Windows) there is no selection for
> either absolute grays or paper relative grays.
> 

Thats a choice in Spyder3Print when building profiles, not a driver choice.

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/spyder3


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