Digital BW, The Print

Is anyone on this list using a newish Epson 3000 for MIS or PiezoTone inks?  
Any comments on your experiences with it?

Helene

Helene,

I use a 3000 with a PC and usually have MIS VM-Sepia ink in it.  I think
it's an excellent machine and a great bargain.

The 3000 has a reputation for large dots.  It is true that the color prints
are not, in my view, photo quality.  However, with a properly partitioned
quad workflow, the highlights are essentially dot free (to my eyes).  I
recently took delivery of a 1290 (loaner for the purpose of writing curves)
and printed some black-ink-only B&Ws at 2880 to see how it would do.  It has
clear dots; the 3000 partitioned quad is smoother.  I might not want to do
postcard-size prints with the 3000, but for my 16x20 prints, it's close to
perfect.  The medium format film grain is my limiting factor.

The 3000 also has a reputation for paper-feed problems.  I use Epson
Archival Matte that I slice from a 24" roll.  After I cut 17" off the roll
and let it "relax" between a couple of damp blotter papers for a couple of
minutes to get the curl out, I pre-feed the paper into the front of the 3000
with the "Load/Eject" button (without any wait for it to dry).  I get
perfect feed every time.

The old Piezo list archives are full of stories about 3000s that band.  The
one I have does band slightly with the old Piezo software, but with the
newer drivers at 1440, it is very smooth. (However, the Piezo driver at that
resolution is very slow.)

I prefer the Epson driver even for MIS FS inks, and there is no banding with
that driver.

Also, the black density of the 3000 & Epson driver, with the MIS VM/FS black
ink, is about 1.68 on EAM -- considerably deeper than the Piezo driver and
deeper than the 7000 with the Epson driver.  In fact, the 1280 with the new
PiezoTone black and the Piezo driver delivers only 1.71.  Not a significant
difference, in my view.

I think the 3000 has been in production for longer than any other Epson
printer for a reason.  It's a work horse that delivers -- even if it is an
old clunker in many respects.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

_______________________________________

  -----Original Message-----
  From: grdglass@... [mailto:grdglass@...]
  Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:00 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3000


  Is anyone on this list using a newish Epson 3000 for MIS or PiezoTone
inks?
  Any comments on your experiences with it?

  Helene



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Paul,

Thank you for the very detailed and thorough reply.  I think I would like to 
try a 3000 with MIS VM-Sepia and the new PiezoTone Selenium.  Do you think 
it's practical to periodically switch back-and-forth between cartridges 
filled with those two ink sets?  Plugging one set up and switching to the 
other, and then back again?

You wrote, "with a properly partitioned quad workflow," referring to 
MIS/Epson, I assume, did you mean by the word "partition" your curves or 
something more?

Referring to Piezo, you wrote that your 3000 bands with the old Piezo driver, 
but not with the newer drivers at 1440.  What version number gives you the 
very smooth output?

Helene



> Message: 8
>    Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:42:35 -0700
>    From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
> Subject: RE: Epson 3000
> 
> Helene,
> 
> I use a 3000 with a PC and usually have MIS VM-Sepia ink in it.  I think
> it's an excellent machine and a great bargain.
> 
> The 3000 has a reputation for large dots.  It is true that the color prints
> are not, in my view, photo quality.  However, with a properly partitioned
> quad workflow, the highlights are essentially dot free (to my eyes).  I
> recently took delivery of a 1290 (loaner for the purpose of writing curves)
> and printed some black-ink-only B&Ws at 2880 to see how it would do.  It 
> has
> clear dots; the 3000 partitioned quad is smoother.  I might not want to do
> postcard-size prints with the 3000, but for my 16x20 prints, it's close to
> perfect.  The medium format film grain is my limiting factor.
> 
> The 3000 also has a reputation for paper-feed problems.  I use Epson
> Archival Matte that I slice from a 24" roll.  After I cut 17" off the roll
> and let it "relax" between a couple of damp blotter papers for a couple of
> minutes to get the curl out, I pre-feed the paper into the front of the 
> 3000
> with the "Load/Eject" button (without any wait for it to dry).  I get
> perfect feed every time.
> 
> The old Piezo list archives are full of stories about 3000s that band.  The
> one I have does band slightly with the old Piezo software, but with the
> newer drivers at 1440, it is very smooth. (However, the Piezo driver at 
> that
> resolution is very slow.)
> 
> I prefer the Epson driver even for MIS FS inks, and there is no banding 
> with
> that driver.
> 
> Also, the black density of the 3000 & Epson driver, with the MIS VM/FS 
> black
> ink, is about 1.68 on EAM -- considerably deeper than the Piezo driver and
> deeper than the 7000 with the Epson driver.  In fact, the 1280 with the new
> PiezoTone black and the Piezo driver delivers only 1.71.  Not a significant
> difference, in my view.
> 
> I think the 3000 has been in production for longer than any other Epson
> printer for a reason.  It's a work horse that delivers -- even if it is an
> old clunker in many respects.



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A "side" comment here. Our 3000 (with vm quads) has begun banding (to
various degrees). I've tried the Epson driver, the Imageprint driver
(better than the Epson, but still bands), realigned the heads very
carefully with HWM, ran cleaning cycles (they're ok.) So it's off to the
shop to see what they can do. They think perhaps a new head as a last
resort. I'm pretty tight with the service guys and they do tell me
"secret Epson" stuff so I'll report back when the printer returns. Just
thought the final result may be helpful to others on the list with
3000s.
 
Stan Shire
Associate Professor/Department Chair
Photographic Imaging
Community College of Philadelphia
Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
 
215 751-8320
 <mailto:sshire@...> sshire@...

-----Original Message-----
From: grdglass@... [mailto:grdglass@...] 
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:13 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 3000
 
Paul,

Thank you for the very detailed and thorough reply.  I think I would
like to 
try a 3000 with MIS VM-Sepia and the new PiezoTone Selenium.  Do you
think 
it's practical to periodically switch back-and-forth between cartridges 
filled with those two ink sets?  Plugging one set up and switching to
the 
other, and then back again?

You wrote, "with a properly partitioned quad workflow," referring to 
MIS/Epson, I assume, did you mean by the word "partition" your curves or

something more?

Referring to Piezo, you wrote that your 3000 bands with the old Piezo
driver, 
but not with the newer drivers at 1440.  What version number gives you
the 
very smooth output?

Helene



> Message: 8
>    Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:42:35 -0700
>    From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
> Subject: RE: Epson 3000
> 
> Helene,
> 
> I use a 3000 with a PC and usually have MIS VM-Sepia ink in it.  I
think
> it's an excellent machine and a great bargain.
> 
> The 3000 has a reputation for large dots.  It is true that the color
prints
> are not, in my view, photo quality.  However, with a properly
partitioned
> quad workflow, the highlights are essentially dot free (to my eyes).
I
> recently took delivery of a 1290 (loaner for the purpose of writing
curves)
> and printed some black-ink-only B&Ws at 2880 to see how it would do.
It 
> has
> clear dots; the 3000 partitioned quad is smoother.  I might not want
to do
> postcard-size prints with the 3000, but for my 16x20 prints, it's
close to
> perfect.  The medium format film grain is my limiting factor.
> 
> The 3000 also has a reputation for paper-feed problems.  I use Epson
> Archival Matte that I slice from a 24" roll.  After I cut 17" off the
roll
> and let it "relax" between a couple of damp blotter papers for a
couple of
> minutes to get the curl out, I pre-feed the paper into the front of
the 
> 3000
> with the "Load/Eject" button (without any wait for it to dry).  I get
> perfect feed every time.
> 
> The old Piezo list archives are full of stories about 3000s that band.
The
> one I have does band slightly with the old Piezo software, but with
the
> newer drivers at 1440, it is very smooth. (However, the Piezo driver
at 
> that
> resolution is very slow.)
> 
> I prefer the Epson driver even for MIS FS inks, and there is no
banding 
> with
> that driver.
> 
> Also, the black density of the 3000 & Epson driver, with the MIS VM/FS

> black
> ink, is about 1.68 on EAM -- considerably deeper than the Piezo driver
and
> deeper than the 7000 with the Epson driver.  In fact, the 1280 with
the new
> PiezoTone black and the Piezo driver delivers only 1.71.  Not a
significant
> difference, in my view.
> 
> I think the 3000 has been in production for longer than any other
Epson
> printer for a reason.  It's a work horse that delivers -- even if it
is an
> old clunker in many respects.



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Helene,

>...  I think I would like to
>try a 3000 with MIS VM-Sepia and the new PiezoTone Selenium.  Do you think
>it's practical to periodically switch back-and-forth between cartridges
>filled with those two ink sets?  Plugging one set up and switching to the
>other, and then back again?

I think so.  It takes, perhaps, 4 cleaning cycles to get the inks out of the
internal tubes.  Although Cone recommends flushing, I don't think the inks
are incompatible -- like Lyson and the rest.  However, I have not tried any
of the new PiezoTones yet.

>You wrote, "with a properly partitioned quad workflow," referring to
>MIS/Epson, I assume, did you mean by the word "partition" your curves or
>something more?

The vm curves & Epson driver, or the Piezo driver.  Both partition the inks
to keep the dark inks out of the highlights.  Note that I use a PC.  So, if
you are using a Mac, the curves may need altering.

>Referring to Piezo, you wrote that your 3000 bands with the
>old Piezo driver,
>but not with the newer drivers at 1440.
>What version number gives you the very smooth output?

I have the last of the free updates -- version 5.1.3e, Release 5.  Note that
it works with the latest paper profiles, specifically including the EAM
profile.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

_________________________________________



>    Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:42:35 -0700
>    From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
> Subject: RE: Epson 3000
>
> Helene,
>
> I use a 3000 with a PC and usually have MIS VM-Sepia ink in it.  I think
> it's an excellent machine and a great bargain.
>
> The 3000 has a reputation for large dots.  It is true that the color
prints
> are not, in my view, photo quality.  However, with a properly partitioned
> quad workflow, the highlights are essentially dot free (to my eyes).  I
> recently took delivery of a 1290 (loaner for the purpose of writing
curves)
> and printed some black-ink-only B&Ws at 2880 to see how it would do.  It
> has
> clear dots; the 3000 partitioned quad is smoother.  I might not want to do
> postcard-size prints with the 3000, but for my 16x20 prints, it's close to
> perfect.  The medium format film grain is my limiting factor.
>
> The 3000 also has a reputation for paper-feed problems.  I use Epson
> Archival Matte that I slice from a 24" roll.  After I cut 17" off the roll
> and let it "relax" between a couple of damp blotter papers for a couple of
> minutes to get the curl out, I pre-feed the paper into the front of the
> 3000
> with the "Load/Eject" button (without any wait for it to dry).  I get
> perfect feed every time.
>
> The old Piezo list archives are full of stories about 3000s that band.
The
> one I have does band slightly with the old Piezo software, but with the
> newer drivers at 1440, it is very smooth. (However, the Piezo driver at
> that
> resolution is very slow.)
>
> I prefer the Epson driver even for MIS FS inks, and there is no banding
> with
> that driver.
>
> Also, the black density of the 3000 & Epson driver, with the MIS VM/FS
> black
> ink, is about 1.68 on EAM -- considerably deeper than the Piezo driver and
> deeper than the 7000 with the Epson driver.  In fact, the 1280 with the
new
> PiezoTone black and the Piezo driver delivers only 1.71.  Not a
significant

> difference, in my view.
>
> I think the 3000 has been in production for longer than any other Epson
> printer for a reason.  It's a work horse that delivers -- even if it is an
> old clunker in many respects.

I have two Epson 3000 that I no longer need (I now do all my
printing on the 9600) and I thought that someone on the list may be
interested in them.

I also have 6 new Epson 3000 cartridges (Epson brand, not third
party) with an expiration date of 2-04 (2 black cartridges, 2
magenta, 2 yellow and 1 cyan) and finally 4 unopened packs of
Epson A2 Photo Quality glossy paper (SO41123) purchased in December
2002.

If you are interested in any of those items please contact me
off list and I will email you back with prices.  The 2 printers are
in perfect condition and I have the original boxes and manuals.

Alain
-- 
Alain Briot
Beaux Arts Photography
http://www.beautiful-landscape.com

800-949-7983 or 623-561-1641

I am currently stuck in a dilemma.  I have an Epson 3000, with John 
Cone software, and MIS Quad Tone bulk ink sets.  I have been printing 
outputs for 3 months and have yet to produce an output that looks 
remotely decent.  I have been battling a problem called banding.  I 
have tried different software options, different paper types, 
cleaning, checking, checking, cleaning.  Finnaly I have spent hours 
on the phone with the Cone company, they tell me its the inks, MIS, 
they tell me its the printer, and Epson, they actually listen.  I 
have had the head replaced twice, the mother board replaced, and the 
tracktor feed motor replaced.  Nothing is working and I am beggining 
to think that the whole Quad Tone set up is a rag tag attempt at 
gerry rigging a printer to do something it's not supposed to.  Can 
some one please help me get rid off banding. I don't want to give up 
yet.  

Walter Scott Martin

Does it band if you use the Epson driver?  How about if you use the Epson
driver and say, Paul's curves?

Of course Cone is going to say that using anyone else's inks is going to be
a problem!  Duh!

Banding can have many sources.  One is clogging, two is software (original
Cone driver, BTW, what version are you using?), third, printer paper advance
and last but not least, printer head alignment.

Just to give you some comfort, I have two 3000s that had banding and do not
any more.  They both work fine now...and the only problem that I didn't have
was paper advance.  I spent months and hundreds of dollars on inks dealing
with the fact there was a banding problem with the Piezo driver, and they
finally fixed that...I haven't had any 3000 clogs from hell, they seem to be
OK, but I do get banding every now and then, and a head cleaning seems to
solve that.  The biggest problem I had was alignment...

Austin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walter Scott Martin [mailto:waltersmartin@...]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3000
>
>
> I am currently stuck in a dilemma.  I have an Epson 3000, with John
> Cone software, and MIS Quad Tone bulk ink sets.  I have been printing
> outputs for 3 months and have yet to produce an output that looks
> remotely decent.  I have been battling a problem called banding.  I
> have tried different software options, different paper types,
> cleaning, checking, checking, cleaning.  Finnaly I have spent hours
> on the phone with the Cone company, they tell me its the inks, MIS,
> they tell me its the printer, and Epson, they actually listen.  I
> have had the head replaced twice, the mother board replaced, and the
> tracktor feed motor replaced.  Nothing is working and I am beggining
> to think that the whole Quad Tone set up is a rag tag attempt at
> gerry rigging a printer to do something it's not supposed to.  Can
> some one please help me get rid off banding. I don't want to give up
> yet.
>
> Walter Scott Martin

Walter, 
that doesn´t sound very good, you seem to have a lemon there.
But before threwing it away, could you answer the following 
questions:
(1) Which version of the Cone Software have you got
(2) which MIS inkset do you use (original quads, MIS FS or MIS    
VM)
(3) does your printer band if you print with the epson driver
(4) does it band if you use alternative workflows (depending on 
the inkset you have)?
May be there is a solution.
Bernd




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walter 
Scott Martin" <waltersmartin@s...> wrote:
> I am currently stuck in a dilemma.  I have an Epson 3000, with 
John 
> Cone software, and MIS Quad Tone bulk ink sets.  I have been 
printing 
> outputs for 3 months and have yet to produce an output that 
looks 
> remotely decent.  I have been battling a problem called 
banding.  I 
> have tried different software options, different paper types, 
> cleaning, checking, checking, cleaning.  Finnaly I have spent 
hours 
> on the phone with the Cone company, they tell me its the inks, 
MIS, 
> they tell me its the printer, and Epson, they actually listen.  I 
> have had the head replaced twice, the mother board replaced, 
and the 
> tracktor feed motor replaced.  Nothing is working and I am 
beggining 
> to think that the whole Quad Tone set up is a rag tag attempt at 
> gerry rigging a printer to do something it's not supposed to.  
Can 
> some one please help me get rid off banding. I don't want to 
give up 

> yet.  
> 
> Walter Scott Martin

Walter,

The 3000 with MIS VM-S inkset was my standard for some time and, I think,
made a very good combination.  The Epson driver bands less on my 3000 than
the Piezo driver did.  (Although the latest, slooowest version did OK.)  The
VM-S inkset is a variable-mix/tone, pigmented inkset that has a tone range
from neutral to sepia.  The neutral end of the range is relatively dot free
and non-warming (FS-N ink).

I cut pieces of Epson Enhanced Matte from a 24 inch roll and found that EEM,
especially when flattened, fed into the front of the machine and printed
very well.

I have curves to control the inkset for the PC platform.  (I'm not sure
about the Mac side.)

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
_________________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Scott Martin [mailto:waltersmartin@...]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:28 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3000


I am currently stuck in a dilemma.  I have an Epson 3000, with John
Cone software, and MIS Quad Tone bulk ink sets.  I have been printing
outputs for 3 months and have yet to produce an output that looks
remotely decent.  I have been battling a problem called banding.  I
have tried different software options, different paper types,
cleaning, checking, checking, cleaning.  Finnaly I have spent hours
on the phone with the Cone company, they tell me its the inks, MIS,
they tell me its the printer, and Epson, they actually listen.  I
have had the head replaced twice, the mother board replaced, and the
tracktor feed motor replaced.  Nothing is working and I am beggining
to think that the whole Quad Tone set up is a rag tag attempt at
gerry rigging a printer to do something it's not supposed to.  Can
some one please help me get rid off banding. I don't want to give up
yet.

Walter Scott Martin



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Does anyone have any experience using any of the MIS inks (for B&W) with 
the 2000P? From the existing profiles available on their site that they the 
1280 is their printer of choice. I currently have a 2000P and cant really 
afford to pick up a 1280 at the moment (stupid economy!) but i would like 
to be able to get better B&W prints than i get with the stock inks.



-scott

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, scott lanes <scott@l...> wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience using any of the MIS inks (for B&W) with 
> the 2000P? From the existing profiles available on their site that they the 
> 1280 is their printer of choice. I currently have a 2000P and cant really 
> afford to pick up a 1280 at the moment (stupid economy!) but i would like 
> to be able to get better B&W prints than i get with the stock inks.
> 
> 
> 
> -scott
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have been talking to a person at einks.net and he informed me about Lyson Quad set, but they have a problem with the chips and the Epson 2000P on Monday he said he would reply to me after talking to Lyson. 

You can read about them at http://www.lyson.com/includes/frames.html

franklin miller

Howdy Scott,

I use the the MIS VM and FSN-E in my 2000P. I had to experiment a lot
to find the right combinations that worked and looked good.

since the 2000P is the bastard child, you have to use the
hand-me-downs of other printers to get it going.

I buy the empty cartridges for the 1280 and fill them with syringes.
you have to get the ones without the chips because the 1280 chips are
not recognized by the 2000P. this also allows me to keep my Epson
carts for color work; switching/resetting chips is pretty painless.

so I pluck out the chips from a set of Epson carts, and reset them
with MIS' F-16 chip resetter (you can look into others).

now to print, you need to find the right curves..!
I use Paul Roark's for the 1290! I ignored all the paper designations
and printed 21step wedges of each curve in the set. I checked through
a loupe to find the ones that produced nice, dotless gradations. of
the dozen or so curves, I regulary use 3 or 4.

hope this made sense and helps you a little!

Tom De Carlo



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, scott lanes
<scott@l...> wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience using any of the MIS inks (for B&W)
with 
> the 2000P? From the existing profiles available on their site that
they the 
> 1280 is their printer of choice. I currently have a 2000P and cant
really 
> afford to pick up a 1280 at the moment (stupid economy!) but i would
like 

> to be able to get better B&W prints than i get with the stock inks.
> 
> 
> 
> -scott
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Scott,

I use the MIS FS-E inkset in my 2000P with a custom curve set.
None of the available curves worked well in this printer IMO.
You can try the default ICM print setting and get a good grey
scale, but that setting turns on the K ink starting at 80%
density and creates some visible droplet grain. 

As a real test, you need to use a 100 step greyscale to
really see the flatspots in some of the existing curves.
They are not apparent in a 21 step test, but sure will create
nasty posterization in real prints !  That was my issue with 
existing 2000P curves.

I have created a custom curve that uses K from 94%-100%, then
the darkest black ink ( installed in my M position - non standard ),
for 80% to 94% and then allow the Epson 'NoColorCorrection' drivers to
create a grey using the CMY inks from 80% to 50% and LCLMY from 50% to
0%. This setting, as well as the stock 'ICM' curve have full one
percent density step resolution.

I fill my own carts as I do insufficient printing to warrant fighting
the problems associated with CIS systems. 

Do note : as the 2000P was designed for pigments, from the posts I
read Here, it seems much less vulnerable to clogs than the 1280 dye
types. After 2+ months of idle, 2 or 3 cleaning cycles will give a
perfect nozzle test pattern.


Best,
Alex
Orlando


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, scott lanes
<scott@l...> wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience using any of the MIS inks (for B&W)
with 
> the 2000P? From the existing profiles available on their site that
they the 
> 1280 is their printer of choice. I currently have a 2000P and cant
really 
> afford to pick up a 1280 at the moment (stupid economy!) but i would
like 

> to be able to get better B&W prints than i get with the stock inks.
> 
> 
> 
> -scott
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My Epson 3000 is acting funny. First, the tops of large prints 
banded. Then,after several head cleanings, the lower left hand block 
of lines is still uneven, and there are odd spots of ink on the page. 
How do I get to the heads to do the Windex cure? The User's Guide is 
useless. I need to print now. Please help.
                Arlene

Have you recently changed out the ink carts?  This can 
sometimes cause intermittent banding problems.

- Barrett

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"lovelipp" <ArleneLoveL@a...> wrote:

>My Epson 3000 is acting funny. First, the tops of large prints 
>banded. Then,after several head cleanings, the lower left hand 
>block of lines is still uneven, and there are odd spots of ink on 
>the page. 
>
>How do I get to the heads to do the Windex cure? The User's 
>Guide is useless. I need to print now. Please help.
>                 Arlene

It's the only printer I've ever used for dedicated B&W, and I love it 
so much, I may even buy another now, just to have it, in case... It 
takes the heavy German Etching 310 with no problem. After heavy use 
for over 3 years, I had to have it repaired only once. I'm delighted 
that Paul is going to support it now. 
                           Best to all
                              Arlene

Arlene,

How do you feed the thick paper through the 3000?

Paul 
http://www.PaulRoark.com
_________________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: lovelipp [mailto:ArleneLoveL@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:33 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3000


It's the only printer I've ever used for dedicated B&W, and I love it 
so much, I may even buy another now, just to have it, in case... It 
takes the heavy German Etching 310 with no problem. After heavy use 
for over 3 years, I had to have it repaired only once. I'm delighted 
that Paul is going to support it now. 
                           Best to all
                              Arlene

<<It takes the heavy German Etching 310 with no problem. >>

I don't know about paper thickness variances, but mine won't handle the 308
Hahnemuhle PR. In fact, it struggles a bit with Museo (205gsm, I think).

Paper handling is one of the weakest aspects of the 3000 and probably varies
from machine to machine. I suspect it was a quality control issue, or maybe
just related to changes in manufacturing over the long period that the 3000
was produced. In any case, I don't think anyone should assume that all 3000s
will handle the heavier papers equally.

Tom Keesling
Intelligent Design, Inc.

Paul,

I have a 3000 and only print with German Etching 310 and Photo Rag 
308.  I place the paper in the manual feed slot in the top of the 
printer.  I grasp both top edges of the paper with my hands and wait 
for the printer to start trying to feed the paper.  As this happens, 
I push down firmly but not too hard...enough for the printer feed 
mechanism to grab the paper.  Works every time.

Jonathan Russell

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Arlene,
> 
> How do you feed the thick paper through the 3000?
> 
> Paul 
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> _________________________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lovelipp [mailto:ArleneLoveL@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3000
> 
> 
> It's the only printer I've ever used for dedicated B&W, and I love 
it 
> so much, I may even buy another now, just to have it, in case... It 
> takes the heavy German Etching 310 with no problem. After heavy use 
> for over 3 years, I had to have it repaired only once. I'm 
delighted 

> that Paul is going to support it now. 
>                            Best to all
>                               Arlene

Jonathan,

>I have a 3000 and only print with German Etching 310 and Photo Rag
>308.  I place the paper in the manual feed slot in the top of the
>printer.  I grasp both top edges of the paper with my hands and wait
>for the printer to start trying to feed the paper.  As this happens,
>I push down firmly but not too hard...enough for the printer feed
>mechanism to grab the paper.  Works every time.

That's good news.  My surprise is that the thick paper can even be shoved
through that slot.  I guess it's just a matter of refining one's technique.

What inkset do you use?

I've loaded the Ultra Tone inkset in my 3000 and must confess that the
neutral curves I've written do show some roughness that some will notice in
small prints.  The dot size and lack of variability is noticeable.
Nonetheless, I'll complete a set of UT curves.  Those who are just doing
large prints with the 3000 will probably be satisfied with the output.  Then
I'll switch over to the monotone, FS/Piezo-compatible inkset.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
____________________________________




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Arlene,
>
> How do you feed the thick paper through the 3000?
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> _________________________________________
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lovelipp [mailto:ArleneLoveL@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3000
>
>
> It's the only printer I've ever used for dedicated B&W, and I love
it
> so much, I may even buy another now, just to have it, in case... It
> takes the heavy German Etching 310 with no problem. After heavy use
> for over 3 years, I had to have it repaired only once. I'm
delighted

> that Paul is going to support it now.
>                            Best to all
>                               Arlene

Paul,

I am still finishing up my supply of original piezography inks 
(sundance).  I use the piezography plug-in.  Once these inks are 
finished, I will explore new options.  I will keep this printer 
though as it has worked almost flawlessly.  I am interested to see 
how the new piezography icc system works.  Ink wise, I am inclined to 
try the piezo tone inks first since I have always had good results 
from Cone's products.

Jonathan Russell

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Jonathan,
> 
> >I have a 3000 and only print with German Etching 310 and Photo Rag
> >308.  I place the paper in the manual feed slot in the top of the
> >printer.  I grasp both top edges of the paper with my hands and 
wait
> >for the printer to start trying to feed the paper.  As this 
happens,
> >I push down firmly but not too hard...enough for the printer feed
> >mechanism to grab the paper.  Works every time.
> 
> That's good news.  My surprise is that the thick paper can even be 
shoved
> through that slot.  I guess it's just a matter of refining one's 
technique.
> 
> What inkset do you use?
> 
> I've loaded the Ultra Tone inkset in my 3000 and must confess that 
the
> neutral curves I've written do show some roughness that some will 
notice in
> small prints.  The dot size and lack of variability is noticeable.
> Nonetheless, I'll complete a set of UT curves.  Those who are just 
doing
> large prints with the 3000 will probably be satisfied with the 
output.  Then
> I'll switch over to the monotone, FS/Piezo-compatible inkset.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> ____________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Arlene,
> >
> > How do you feed the thick paper through the 3000?
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > _________________________________________
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lovelipp [mailto:ArleneLoveL@a...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:33 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3000
> >
> >
> > It's the only printer I've ever used for dedicated B&W, and I love
> it
> > so much, I may even buy another now, just to have it, in case... 
It
> > takes the heavy German Etching 310 with no problem. After heavy 
use

> > for over 3 years, I had to have it repaired only once. I'm
> delighted
> > that Paul is going to support it now.
> >                            Best to all
> >                               Arlene

* -----Original Message-----
* From: jonathanrussellphotography [mailto:jonathanrussell@...] 
* Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:57 AM
* To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
* Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000
* 
* 
* Paul,
* 
* I am still finishing up my supply of original piezography inks 
* (sundance).  I use the piezography plug-in.  Once these inks are 
* finished, I will explore new options.  I will keep this printer 
* though as it has worked almost flawlessly.  I am interested to see 
* how the new piezography icc system works.  Ink wise, I am inclined to 
* try the piezo tone inks first since I have always had good results 
* from Cone's products.
* 
Jonathan,

If your still using the original Piezo inks, then the PiezoTone inks will be
a very pleasant surprise although none of them are a color match to the
original inks. Warm Neutral will be the closest. Your prints with the
PiezoTones will definitely last much, much longer than your original ink
prints.

All you need for the new ICC Piezo is the $49 software. If you do upgrade, I
would be very interested in how the old and new Piezo compare in terms of
print quality. You should be able to still run both and do a direct
comparison. 

Martin Wesley
http://www.carolyn.cc/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

Martin,

>All you need for the new ICC Piezo is the $49 software. ...

I have not kept up with the new ICC Piezo news.  Does it use the same
PiezoTone inks?  I suppose Cone has an explanation of the new system
somewhere.  For $49 I might give it a try.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Martin,
> 
> >All you need for the new ICC Piezo is the $49 software. ...
> 
> I have not kept up with the new ICC Piezo news.  Does it use the same
> PiezoTone inks?  I suppose Cone has an explanation of the new system
> somewhere.  For $49 I might give it a try.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

The inks are the same. What changed is how you place the inks (with 6
color printers only. Four color printers remain the same). Before,
magenta and photo magenta used the same ink, as did cyan and photo
cyan. Now, cyan uses cyan,  photo cyan uses magenta, magenta uses
magenta, photo magenta uses yellow, and yellow stays yellow. As to the
blacks, you can only use Museum black and Portfolio black... Black
Black is out.

* -----Original Message-----
* From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] 
* Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:46 AM
* To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
* Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson 3000
* 
* 
* Martin,
* 
* >All you need for the new ICC Piezo is the $49 software. ...
* 
* I have not kept up with the new ICC Piezo news.  Does it use 
* the same PiezoTone inks?  I suppose Cone has an explanation 
* of the new system somewhere.  For $49 I might give it a try.
* 
Paul,

The inkjetmall website is a bit confusing but for the 4 ink printers, 3000
and 1160, the only change is the software. $49 is the upgrade price and you
will need your plug-in serial #.

Martin

I finally got around to trying to feed 300 gsm Permajet Portrait Classic
(Hahnemuhle Photo Rag) through my 3000's rear manual feed slot.  To my
surprise, it feeds easier than EEM, probably due to it's greater stiffness.

The UT curves I made for EEM work quite well with the paper.  However, the
midtones are a bit lighter and the tones a little warmer.  I may fine-tune
the curves for PhotoRag, using this Permajet version.  (From what I can tell
all the private label versions are essentially the same.)

The best news is that the dmax with Eboni was 1.71 -- really excellent for a
matte paper and pure carbon pigment.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
_________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathanrussellphotography [mailto:jonathanrussell@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:41 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000


Paul,

I have a 3000 and only print with German Etching 310 and Photo Rag
308.  I place the paper in the manual feed slot in the top of the
printer.  I grasp both top edges of the paper with my hands and wait
for the printer to start trying to feed the paper.  As this happens,
I push down firmly but not too hard...enough for the printer feed
mechanism to grab the paper.  Works every time.

Jonathan Russell

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Arlene,
>
> How do you feed the thick paper through the 3000?
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> _________________________________________
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lovelipp [mailto:ArleneLoveL@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3000
>
>
> It's the only printer I've ever used for dedicated B&W, and I love
it
> so much, I may even buy another now, just to have it, in case... It
> takes the heavy German Etching 310 with no problem. After heavy use
> for over 3 years, I had to have it repaired only once. I'm
delighted

> that Paul is going to support it now.
>                            Best to all
>                               Arlene

Hello Paul,

>The best news is that the dmax with Eboni was 1.71 -- really 
>excellent for a matte paper and pure carbon pigment.

That's really good news.  I'm using Eboni now on a 2200 at 2880dpi and
love the look of it.  

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Is this printer still a viable option for printing today? It is for
personal use only and I would probably swap out carts from B&W to
color.  Speed is not a factor but cost is. I need to print larger than
my 2400, but not so often as to purchase one of the newer Epson wide
format printers.  

Anyone?

Thanks,
Barbara Woolner

Please ignore the last post.  What could I be thinking, considering
this old workhorse when the 3800 is not that much more when ink is
considered?  I will rework my budget instead.
Barbara Woolner

Barbara,

You didn't say what platform you are printing from but one reason I gave
up my Epson 3000 was the absence of a driver for the latest Mac OS.

Dale Hoffman

__________________

On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:27 PM, bfwoolner wrote:

> Is this printer still a viable option for printing today? It is for
> personal use only and I would probably swap out carts from B&W to
> color. Speed is not a factor but cost is. I need to print larger than
> my 2400, but not so often as to purchase one of the newer Epson wide
> format printers.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara Woolner
>

Hi Barbara,

>
> Please ignore the last post.  What could I be thinking, considering
> this old workhorse when the 3800 is not that much more when ink is
> considered?  I will rework my budget instead.
> Barbara Woolner
>

Epson.com/USA is lists refurbished 3800s for $895 and free shipping. I 
don't think you pay tax on that either.

Don Bryant