Digital BW, The Print

Was anyone discussing transmissive profiles?

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@Datacolor.com

On May 9, 2009, at 12:42 AM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:

> David, do you guys sell a transmissive spectrophotomete?
>
> Jon
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie  
> <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>>
>> The "other brand" makes great CreateICC profiles, actually. It's what
>> Paul Roark uses for all his measuring.
>>
>> C. D. Tobie
>> Global Product Technology Mngr.
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> Datacolor.com
>> CDTobie@...
>>
>> On May 8, 2009, at 3:06 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> Buy they EyeOne and you can make a soft proof profile in minutes.
>>> It's the best instrument for my money and you can segue it into
>>> StudioPrint linearizations if you wish, make RGB and CMYK profiles
>>> as well as calibrate monitors, etc...  QTR is setup for it to make
>>> the ICC softproofs and you do not have to fool around with another
>>> brand which is not as suitable to making the QTR Create-ICCs.
>>>
>>> Super easy...
>>>
>>> Jon Cone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Terry Ritz
>>> <t.ritz@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Should you decide to do this after all Mark. . . .   You just need
>>>> to find a
>>>> way to get the LAB values out of your spectro for a 21 step wedge.
>>>> These
>>>> need to populate a relatively simple text file, which is then used
>>>> to create
>>>> the soft proof.
>>>>
>>>> For the other poster who felt that ink and paper toning might not
>>>> represented, they are. With the QTR Create-ICC tools you can make
>>>> profiles
>>>> that contain only LAB "L" data, or profiles with LAB "L", "A", and
>>>> "B" data.
>>>>
>>>> I have found the soft proofs to be very useful, at leaset for my  
>>>> own
>>>> purposes. I can compare various toned and split toned approaches on
>>>> screen
>>>> before I make my print. More recently, Jon Cone's folks sent me
>>>> soft proofs
>>>> for his Special Edition inks, one for a six ink version and one for
>>>> a seven
>>>> ink version. I could see how the two differed, and compare them
>>>> with the
>>>> inkset I had at the time. Of course I followed up by having some
>>>> real prints
>>>> made before a purchase, but I learned enough with the soft proofs
>>>> to keep
>>>> going.
>>>>
>>>> Terry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/05/09 4:48 PM, "Mark Savoia" <mark@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are always the guy of reason. I don't know why I want to do  
>>>>> this
>>>>> either. This always happens when a new client wants to "outfox" me
>>>>> thinking he has a better way to do it. And you are right, 99% of
>>>>> clients don't know how to use it anyway, while 99% never need me  
>>>>> to
>>>>> make any adjustments to their files, it IS almost perfect. Damn I
>>>>> hate
>>>>> when your right!
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I appreciate the grounding, you can NOT have my DTP-41 :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't help specificallt for the dtp-41, but I'll trade ya my  
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> i1 for it and then you have this solved...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know, I went to great effort to make preview profiles for  
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> PTone StudioPrint ink setup I have here, warm, Selenium, splits,
>>>>>> blends, the whole dealy-bob, thinking I'm supplying a helpful  
>>>>>> tool
>>>>>> for my clients to use for file prep.
>>>>>> No one, not one, that I can recall since I started Custom  
>>>>>> Digital,
>>>>>> has requested one, and when I've suggested it, never used one.
>>>>>> Your StudioPrint output is probably meticulously and beautifully
>>>>>> linearized, and no doubt matches your working space on the  
>>>>>> monitor
>>>>>> just fine given the ability to target a given dot gain "out".
>>>>>> Soft proof icc based is just not necessary.
>>>>>> Just in case, if you do proceed, make sure they check "preserve
>>>>>> color numbers" since you won't be printing with the profile.
>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
>>>>>> <mark@> wrote:
>>>>>
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