Digital BW, The Print

>
> 
> > > Now I've got a problem.
> > > I'm trying to print targets with gray wedges through QTRprinter on my 7880 but prints look very strange - very pale, hardly visible and colored.
> > > All I did is to open file in PS CS3, select 'no color management", QTR printer, select "QTR calibration" and printed.
> > > ABW driver printed OK.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas?
> 
> > 
> > It sounds like you're on a Mac.  I'm PC, so a Mac QTR user will have to handle this one.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> Jacob, I think what you've done is print a b&w 21 stepwedge through the Calibration mode in QTR, does that sound correct?  If so, the Calibration mode is only used on special files that determine ink limits.
> 
> Go to Applications>QuadToneRIP>CurveDesign>Images and there you will find the special inkseperation files that are run in the calibration mode to drive each head individually so that you can determine ink limits.  That process is spelled out in a file called Calibration.pdf also found in the CurveDesign folder.  When building a custom profile you would print 21 stepwedges as you would print any normal file, that is through QTR with your choice of profile.  If you are new to QTR I would suggest reading Roy Harrington's Basic Tutorial Quadtone RIP on Mac OS X found on the QTR website.  I would also suggest printing at first on a paper/inkset that has already been profiled.  You can find those listed under Applications>QuadToneRIP>Profiles under your printer and inkset (ex: 4880-7880-9880-UC for Epson Ultrachrome Inkset.  There is generally enough info in the profile name to identify the paper, resolution, tone etc.  If you are jumping directly into custom profile making it will be a bit daunting (but doable) although  you'll probably be a lot more copmfortable using the ready made materials first.  The pre-made profiles may be all that you need unless you have a custom inkset and/or very specific papers.  QTR also has many, many advanced and older features that aren't relative unless you are doing things like unusual papers/inksets and can be extremely distracting for someone new to the RIP.  The QTR forum, although not nearly as busy as this one, does get traffic from experienced users and specific questions usually get answered eventually.  As Paul mentioned, QTR on OS X and QTR using the Windows GUI program are two completely different beasts so always mention your OS.
> 
> 
> Good luck!
>

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark
Savoia
  Sent: 06 May 2009 20:30
  Subject: [Digital BW] Soft-proof "profile" for Piezotones?





  Had a client request a grayscale "profile" for soft-proofing a file he
  is sending me for a print. My setup is StudioPrint with Piezotones. I
  told him I knew of nothing for him to go by or I can send him. Am I
  wrong?

  Mark
  http://www.stillrivereditions.com



  


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On May 6, 2009, at 3:40 PM, David Whistance wrote:

> I think you can use the QTR "Create ICC" program to produce a  
> profile for
> softproofing a grayscale.
>
> David Whistance
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark
> Savoia
>  Sent: 06 May 2009 20:30
>  Subject: [Digital BW] Soft-proof "profile" for Piezotones?
>
>
>
>
>
>  Had a client request a grayscale "profile" for soft-proofing a file  
> he
>  is sending me for a print. My setup is StudioPrint with Piezotones. I
>  told him I knew of nothing for him to go by or I can send him. Am I
>  wrong?
>
>  Mark
>  http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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On May 6, 2009, at 3:54 PM, amadou diallo wrote:

> Mark,
> Print out the QTR 21x4 target using your normal SP setup. Measure the
> target with MeasureTool and drag the resulting text file onto the
> QTR-Create-ICC droplet. Send the profile to your client. It will
> preview ink hue, paper color and ink density. They can use it for
> soft-proofing but NOT for printing.
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@... 
> > wrote:
>> But how would that reflect what my setup is, and where would you use
>> it in Photoshop?
>>
>> Mark
>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>
>> On May 6, 2009, at 3:40 PM, David Whistance wrote:
>>
>>> I think you can use the QTR "Create ICC" program to produce a
>>> profile for
>>> softproofing a grayscale.
>>>
>>> David Whistance
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of  
>>> Mark
>>> Savoia
>>>  Sent: 06 May 2009 20:30
>>>  Subject: [Digital BW] Soft-proof "profile" for Piezotones?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Had a client request a grayscale "profile" for soft-proofing a file
>>> he
>>>  is sending me for a print. My setup is StudioPrint with  
>>> Piezotones. I
>>>  told him I knew of nothing for him to go by or I can send him. Am I
>>>  wrong?
>>>
>>>  Mark
>>>  http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
>>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
>>> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE
>>> LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE
>>> PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
>>> DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE
>>> DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
>>> ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
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>>> OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
>>> GROUP.
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>>>
>>>
>>
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>> “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL  
>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,  
>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,  
>> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER  
>> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL  
>> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF  
>> SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE  
>> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO  
>> OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR  
>> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO  
>> GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE  
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>
>
> -- 
> amadou diallo
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>
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> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,  
> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE  
> LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE  
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH  
> DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE  
> DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR  
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> OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO  
> GROUP.
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>

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark
Savoia
Sent: 06 May 2009 20:45
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Soft-proof "profile" for Piezotones?


But how would that reflect what my setup is, and where would you use
it in Photoshop?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On May 6, 2009, at 3:40 PM, David Whistance wrote:

> I think you can use the QTR "Create ICC" program to produce a
> profile for
> softproofing a grayscale.
>
> David Whistance
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark
> Savoia
>  Sent: 06 May 2009 20:30
>  Subject: [Digital BW] Soft-proof "profile" for Piezotones?
>
>
>
>
>
>  Had a client request a grayscale "profile" for soft-proofing a file
> he
>  is sending me for a print. My setup is StudioPrint with Piezotones. I
>  told him I knew of nothing for him to go by or I can send him. Am I
>  wrong?
>
>  Mark
>  http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE
> \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL
> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE
> LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
> DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE
> DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
> ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP;
> OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
> GROUP.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>



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BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND
\ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY
DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND
\ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
Yahoo! Groups Links

On May 6, 2009, at 3:54 PM, amadou diallo wrote:

> Mark,
> Print out the QTR 21x4 target using your normal SP setup. Measure the
> target with MeasureTool and drag the resulting text file onto the
> QTR-Create-ICC droplet. Send the profile to your client. It will
> preview ink hue, paper color and ink density. They can use it for
> soft-proofing but NOT for printing.
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@stillrivereditions.com 
> > wrote:
>> But how would that reflect what my setup is, and where would you use
>> it in Photoshop?
>>
>> Mark
>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>
>> On May 6, 2009, at 3:40 PM, David Whistance wrote:
>>
>>> I think you can use the QTR "Create ICC" program to produce a
>>> profile for
>>> softproofing a grayscale.
>>>
>>> David Whistance
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of  
>>> Mark
>>> Savoia
>>>  Sent: 06 May 2009 20:30
>>>  Subject: [Digital BW] Soft-proof "profile" for Piezotones?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Had a client request a grayscale "profile" for soft-proofing a file
>>> he
>>>  is sending me for a print. My setup is StudioPrint with  
>>> Piezotones. I
>>>  told him I knew of nothing for him to go by or I can send him. Am I
>>>  wrong?
>>>
>>>  Mark
>>>  http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>>> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE
>>> “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL
>>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
>>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
>>> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE
>>> LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE
>>> PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
>>> DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE
>>> DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
>>> ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
>>> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP;
>>> OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
>>> GROUP.
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE  
>> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE  
>> “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL  
>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,  
>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,  
>> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER  
>> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL  
>> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF  
>> SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE  
>> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO  
>> OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR  
>> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO  
>> GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE  
>> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> amadou diallo
> www.blogfiftygreatestphotos.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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On May 6, 2009, at 4:48 PM, C D Tobie wrote:

>
> On May 6, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Mark Savoia wrote:
>
>> Had a client request a grayscale "profile" for soft-proofing a file  
>> he
>> is sending me for a print. My setup is StudioPrint with Piezotones. I
>> told him I knew of nothing for him to go by or I can send him. Am I
>> wrong?
>
> If you have Spyder3Print, you could see if building a 225 patch
> profile from a target you printed via your usual Piezo workflow would
> produce a useful preview.
>
> C. David Tobie
> Global Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> CDTobie@...
>
>
>  ----------
>
>
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> www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
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>
> I have a DTP-41 only.
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> 
> On May 6, 2009, at 4:48 PM, C D Tobie wrote:
> 
> >
> > On May 6, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Mark Savoia wrote:
> >
> >> Had a client request a grayscale "profile" for soft-proofing a file  
> >> he
> >> is sending me for a print. My setup is StudioPrint with Piezotones. I
> >> told him I knew of nothing for him to go by or I can send him. Am I
> >> wrong?
> >
> > If you have Spyder3Print, you could see if building a 225 patch
> > profile from a target you printed via your usual Piezo workflow would
> > produce a useful preview.
> >
> > C. David Tobie
> > Global Product Technology Manager
> > Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> > CDTobie@...
> >
> >
> >  ----------
> >
> >
> > Datacolor
> > www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
> >
> >
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On May 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:

> I can't help specificallt for the dtp-41, but I'll trade ya my old  
> i1 for it and then you have this solved...
>
> You know, I went to great effort to make preview profiles for every  
> PTone StudioPrint ink setup I have here, warm, Selenium, splits,  
> blends, the whole dealy-bob, thinking I'm supplying a helpful tool  
> for my clients to use for file prep.
> No one, not one, that I can recall since I started Custom Digital,  
> has requested one, and when I've suggested it, never used one.
> Your StudioPrint output is probably meticulously and beautifully  
> linearized, and no doubt matches your working space on the monitor  
> just fine given the ability to target a given dot gain "out".
> Soft proof icc based is just not necessary.
> Just in case, if you do proceed, make sure they check "preserve  
> color numbers" since you won't be printing with the profile.
> Tyler
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia  
> <mark@...> wrote:

On 06/05/09 4:48 PM, "Mark Savoia" <mark@...> wrote:

> You are always the guy of reason. I don't know why I want to do this
> either. This always happens when a new client wants to "outfox" me
> thinking he has a better way to do it. And you are right, 99% of
> clients don't know how to use it anyway, while 99% never need me to
> make any adjustments to their files, it IS almost perfect. Damn I hate
> when your right!
> 
> Although I appreciate the grounding, you can NOT have my DTP-41 :)
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> 
> On May 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
> 
>> I can't help specificallt for the dtp-41, but I'll trade ya my old
>> i1 for it and then you have this solved...
>> 
>> You know, I went to great effort to make preview profiles for every
>> PTone StudioPrint ink setup I have here, warm, Selenium, splits,
>> blends, the whole dealy-bob, thinking I'm supplying a helpful tool
>> for my clients to use for file prep.
>> No one, not one, that I can recall since I started Custom Digital,
>> has requested one, and when I've suggested it, never used one.
>> Your StudioPrint output is probably meticulously and beautifully
>> linearized, and no doubt matches your working space on the monitor
>> just fine given the ability to target a given dot gain "out".
>> Soft proof icc based is just not necessary.
>> Just in case, if you do proceed, make sure they check "preserve
>> color numbers" since you won't be printing with the profile.
>> Tyler
>> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
>> <mark@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------

>
> Should you decide to do this after all Mark. . . .   You just need to find a
> way to get the LAB values out of your spectro for a 21 step wedge. These
> need to populate a relatively simple text file, which is then used to create
> the soft proof. 
> 
> For the other poster who felt that ink and paper toning might not
> represented, they are. With the QTR Create-ICC tools you can make profiles
> that contain only LAB "L" data, or profiles with LAB "L", "A", and "B" data.
> 
> I have found the soft proofs to be very useful, at leaset for my own
> purposes. I can compare various toned and split toned approaches on screen
> before I make my print. More recently, Jon Cone's folks sent me soft proofs
> for his Special Edition inks, one for a six ink version and one for a seven
> ink version. I could see how the two differed, and compare them with the
> inkset I had at the time. Of course I followed up by having some real prints
> made before a purchase, but I learned enough with the soft proofs to keep
> going.
> 
> Terry.
> 
> 
> On 06/05/09 4:48 PM, "Mark Savoia" <mark@...> wrote:
> 
> > You are always the guy of reason. I don't know why I want to do this
> > either. This always happens when a new client wants to "outfox" me
> > thinking he has a better way to do it. And you are right, 99% of
> > clients don't know how to use it anyway, while 99% never need me to
> > make any adjustments to their files, it IS almost perfect. Damn I hate
> > when your right!
> > 
> > Although I appreciate the grounding, you can NOT have my DTP-41 :)
> > 
> > Mark
> > http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> > 
> > On May 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
> > 
> >> I can't help specificallt for the dtp-41, but I'll trade ya my old
> >> i1 for it and then you have this solved...
> >> 
> >> You know, I went to great effort to make preview profiles for every
> >> PTone StudioPrint ink setup I have here, warm, Selenium, splits,
> >> blends, the whole dealy-bob, thinking I'm supplying a helpful tool
> >> for my clients to use for file prep.
> >> No one, not one, that I can recall since I started Custom Digital,
> >> has requested one, and when I've suggested it, never used one.
> >> Your StudioPrint output is probably meticulously and beautifully
> >> linearized, and no doubt matches your working space on the monitor
> >> just fine given the ability to target a given dot gain "out".
> >> Soft proof icc based is just not necessary.
> >> Just in case, if you do proceed, make sure they check "preserve
> >> color numbers" since you won't be printing with the profile.
> >> Tyler
> >> 
> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
> >> <mark@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
>

On May 8, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Jon Cone wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Buy they EyeOne and you can make a soft proof profile in minutes.  
> It's the best instrument for my money and you can segue it into  
> StudioPrint linearizations if you wish, make RGB and CMYK profiles  
> as well as calibrate monitors, etc...  QTR is setup for it to make  
> the ICC softproofs and you do not have to fool around with another  
> brand which is not as suitable to making the QTR Create-ICCs.
>
> Super easy...
>
> Jon Cone
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Terry Ritz  
> <t.ritz@...> wrote:
>>
>> Should you decide to do this after all Mark. . . .   You just need  
>> to find a
>> way to get the LAB values out of your spectro for a 21 step wedge.  
>> These
>> need to populate a relatively simple text file, which is then used  
>> to create
>> the soft proof.
>>
>> For the other poster who felt that ink and paper toning might not
>> represented, they are. With the QTR Create-ICC tools you can make  
>> profiles
>> that contain only LAB "L" data, or profiles with LAB "L", "A", and  
>> "B" data.
>>
>> I have found the soft proofs to be very useful, at leaset for my own
>> purposes. I can compare various toned and split toned approaches on  
>> screen
>> before I make my print. More recently, Jon Cone's folks sent me  
>> soft proofs
>> for his Special Edition inks, one for a six ink version and one for  
>> a seven
>> ink version. I could see how the two differed, and compare them  
>> with the
>> inkset I had at the time. Of course I followed up by having some  
>> real prints
>> made before a purchase, but I learned enough with the soft proofs  
>> to keep
>> going.
>>
>> Terry.
>>
>>
>> On 06/05/09 4:48 PM, "Mark Savoia" <mark@...> wrote:
>>
>>> You are always the guy of reason. I don't know why I want to do this
>>> either. This always happens when a new client wants to "outfox" me
>>> thinking he has a better way to do it. And you are right, 99% of
>>> clients don't know how to use it anyway, while 99% never need me to
>>> make any adjustments to their files, it IS almost perfect. Damn I  
>>> hate
>>> when your right!
>>>
>>> Although I appreciate the grounding, you can NOT have my DTP-41 :)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>>
>>> On May 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't help specificallt for the dtp-41, but I'll trade ya my old
>>>> i1 for it and then you have this solved...
>>>>
>>>> You know, I went to great effort to make preview profiles for every
>>>> PTone StudioPrint ink setup I have here, warm, Selenium, splits,
>>>> blends, the whole dealy-bob, thinking I'm supplying a helpful tool
>>>> for my clients to use for file prep.
>>>> No one, not one, that I can recall since I started Custom Digital,
>>>> has requested one, and when I've suggested it, never used one.
>>>> Your StudioPrint output is probably meticulously and beautifully
>>>> linearized, and no doubt matches your working space on the monitor
>>>> just fine given the ability to target a given dot gain "out".
>>>> Soft proof icc based is just not necessary.
>>>> Just in case, if you do proceed, make sure they check "preserve
>>>> color numbers" since you won't be printing with the profile.
>>>> Tyler
>>>>
>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
>>>> <mark@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>
>
>
>
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On May 8, 2009, at 3:06 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Buy they EyeOne and you can make a soft proof profile in minutes.  
> It's the best instrument for my money and you can segue it into  
> StudioPrint linearizations if you wish, make RGB and CMYK profiles  
> as well as calibrate monitors, etc...  QTR is setup for it to make  
> the ICC softproofs and you do not have to fool around with another  
> brand which is not as suitable to making the QTR Create-ICCs.
>
> Super easy...
>
> Jon Cone
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Terry Ritz  
> <t.ritz@...> wrote:
>>
>> Should you decide to do this after all Mark. . . .   You just need  
>> to find a
>> way to get the LAB values out of your spectro for a 21 step wedge.  
>> These
>> need to populate a relatively simple text file, which is then used  
>> to create
>> the soft proof.
>>
>> For the other poster who felt that ink and paper toning might not
>> represented, they are. With the QTR Create-ICC tools you can make  
>> profiles
>> that contain only LAB "L" data, or profiles with LAB "L", "A", and  
>> "B" data.
>>
>> I have found the soft proofs to be very useful, at leaset for my own
>> purposes. I can compare various toned and split toned approaches on  
>> screen
>> before I make my print. More recently, Jon Cone's folks sent me  
>> soft proofs
>> for his Special Edition inks, one for a six ink version and one for  
>> a seven
>> ink version. I could see how the two differed, and compare them  
>> with the
>> inkset I had at the time. Of course I followed up by having some  
>> real prints
>> made before a purchase, but I learned enough with the soft proofs  
>> to keep
>> going.
>>
>> Terry.
>>
>>
>> On 06/05/09 4:48 PM, "Mark Savoia" <mark@...> wrote:
>>
>>> You are always the guy of reason. I don't know why I want to do this
>>> either. This always happens when a new client wants to "outfox" me
>>> thinking he has a better way to do it. And you are right, 99% of
>>> clients don't know how to use it anyway, while 99% never need me to
>>> make any adjustments to their files, it IS almost perfect. Damn I  
>>> hate
>>> when your right!
>>>
>>> Although I appreciate the grounding, you can NOT have my DTP-41 :)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>>
>>> On May 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't help specificallt for the dtp-41, but I'll trade ya my old
>>>> i1 for it and then you have this solved...
>>>>
>>>> You know, I went to great effort to make preview profiles for every
>>>> PTone StudioPrint ink setup I have here, warm, Selenium, splits,
>>>> blends, the whole dealy-bob, thinking I'm supplying a helpful tool
>>>> for my clients to use for file prep.
>>>> No one, not one, that I can recall since I started Custom Digital,
>>>> has requested one, and when I've suggested it, never used one.
>>>> Your StudioPrint output is probably meticulously and beautifully
>>>> linearized, and no doubt matches your working space on the monitor
>>>> just fine given the ability to target a given dot gain "out".
>>>> Soft proof icc based is just not necessary.
>>>> Just in case, if you do proceed, make sure they check "preserve
>>>> color numbers" since you won't be printing with the profile.
>>>> Tyler
>>>>
>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
>>>> <mark@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>
>
>
>
>
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>

>
> The "other brand" makes great CreateICC profiles, actually. It's what  
> Paul Roark uses for all his measuring.
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On May 8, 2009, at 3:06 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:
> 
> > Mark,
> >
> > Buy they EyeOne and you can make a soft proof profile in minutes.  
> > It's the best instrument for my money and you can segue it into  
> > StudioPrint linearizations if you wish, make RGB and CMYK profiles  
> > as well as calibrate monitors, etc...  QTR is setup for it to make  
> > the ICC softproofs and you do not have to fool around with another  
> > brand which is not as suitable to making the QTR Create-ICCs.
> >
> > Super easy...
> >
> > Jon Cone
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Terry Ritz  
> > <t.ritz@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Should you decide to do this after all Mark. . . .   You just need  
> >> to find a
> >> way to get the LAB values out of your spectro for a 21 step wedge.  
> >> These
> >> need to populate a relatively simple text file, which is then used  
> >> to create
> >> the soft proof.
> >>
> >> For the other poster who felt that ink and paper toning might not
> >> represented, they are. With the QTR Create-ICC tools you can make  
> >> profiles
> >> that contain only LAB "L" data, or profiles with LAB "L", "A", and  
> >> "B" data.
> >>
> >> I have found the soft proofs to be very useful, at leaset for my own
> >> purposes. I can compare various toned and split toned approaches on  
> >> screen
> >> before I make my print. More recently, Jon Cone's folks sent me  
> >> soft proofs
> >> for his Special Edition inks, one for a six ink version and one for  
> >> a seven
> >> ink version. I could see how the two differed, and compare them  
> >> with the
> >> inkset I had at the time. Of course I followed up by having some  
> >> real prints
> >> made before a purchase, but I learned enough with the soft proofs  
> >> to keep
> >> going.
> >>
> >> Terry.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 06/05/09 4:48 PM, "Mark Savoia" <mark@> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You are always the guy of reason. I don't know why I want to do this
> >>> either. This always happens when a new client wants to "outfox" me
> >>> thinking he has a better way to do it. And you are right, 99% of
> >>> clients don't know how to use it anyway, while 99% never need me to
> >>> make any adjustments to their files, it IS almost perfect. Damn I  
> >>> hate
> >>> when your right!
> >>>
> >>> Although I appreciate the grounding, you can NOT have my DTP-41 :)
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> >>>
> >>> On May 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I can't help specificallt for the dtp-41, but I'll trade ya my old
> >>>> i1 for it and then you have this solved...
> >>>>
> >>>> You know, I went to great effort to make preview profiles for every
> >>>> PTone StudioPrint ink setup I have here, warm, Selenium, splits,
> >>>> blends, the whole dealy-bob, thinking I'm supplying a helpful tool
> >>>> for my clients to use for file prep.
> >>>> No one, not one, that I can recall since I started Custom Digital,
> >>>> has requested one, and when I've suggested it, never used one.
> >>>> Your StudioPrint output is probably meticulously and beautifully
> >>>> linearized, and no doubt matches your working space on the monitor
> >>>> just fine given the ability to target a given dot gain "out".
> >>>> Soft proof icc based is just not necessary.
> >>>> Just in case, if you do proceed, make sure they check "preserve
> >>>> color numbers" since you won't be printing with the profile.
> >>>> Tyler
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
> >>>> <mark@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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On May 9, 2009, at 12:42 AM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:

> David, do you guys sell a transmissive spectrophotomete?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie  
> <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>>
>> The "other brand" makes great CreateICC profiles, actually. It's what
>> Paul Roark uses for all his measuring.
>>
>> C. D. Tobie
>> Global Product Technology Mngr.
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> Datacolor.com
>> CDTobie@...
>>
>> On May 8, 2009, at 3:06 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> Buy they EyeOne and you can make a soft proof profile in minutes.
>>> It's the best instrument for my money and you can segue it into
>>> StudioPrint linearizations if you wish, make RGB and CMYK profiles
>>> as well as calibrate monitors, etc...  QTR is setup for it to make
>>> the ICC softproofs and you do not have to fool around with another
>>> brand which is not as suitable to making the QTR Create-ICCs.
>>>
>>> Super easy...
>>>
>>> Jon Cone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Terry Ritz
>>> <t.ritz@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Should you decide to do this after all Mark. . . .   You just need
>>>> to find a
>>>> way to get the LAB values out of your spectro for a 21 step wedge.
>>>> These
>>>> need to populate a relatively simple text file, which is then used
>>>> to create
>>>> the soft proof.
>>>>
>>>> For the other poster who felt that ink and paper toning might not
>>>> represented, they are. With the QTR Create-ICC tools you can make
>>>> profiles
>>>> that contain only LAB "L" data, or profiles with LAB "L", "A", and
>>>> "B" data.
>>>>
>>>> I have found the soft proofs to be very useful, at leaset for my  
>>>> own
>>>> purposes. I can compare various toned and split toned approaches on
>>>> screen
>>>> before I make my print. More recently, Jon Cone's folks sent me
>>>> soft proofs
>>>> for his Special Edition inks, one for a six ink version and one for
>>>> a seven
>>>> ink version. I could see how the two differed, and compare them
>>>> with the
>>>> inkset I had at the time. Of course I followed up by having some
>>>> real prints
>>>> made before a purchase, but I learned enough with the soft proofs
>>>> to keep
>>>> going.
>>>>
>>>> Terry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/05/09 4:48 PM, "Mark Savoia" <mark@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are always the guy of reason. I don't know why I want to do  
>>>>> this
>>>>> either. This always happens when a new client wants to "outfox" me
>>>>> thinking he has a better way to do it. And you are right, 99% of
>>>>> clients don't know how to use it anyway, while 99% never need me  
>>>>> to
>>>>> make any adjustments to their files, it IS almost perfect. Damn I
>>>>> hate
>>>>> when your right!
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I appreciate the grounding, you can NOT have my DTP-41 :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't help specificallt for the dtp-41, but I'll trade ya my  
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> i1 for it and then you have this solved...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know, I went to great effort to make preview profiles for  
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> PTone StudioPrint ink setup I have here, warm, Selenium, splits,
>>>>>> blends, the whole dealy-bob, thinking I'm supplying a helpful  
>>>>>> tool
>>>>>> for my clients to use for file prep.
>>>>>> No one, not one, that I can recall since I started Custom  
>>>>>> Digital,
>>>>>> has requested one, and when I've suggested it, never used one.
>>>>>> Your StudioPrint output is probably meticulously and beautifully
>>>>>> linearized, and no doubt matches your working space on the  
>>>>>> monitor
>>>>>> just fine given the ability to target a given dot gain "out".
>>>>>> Soft proof icc based is just not necessary.
>>>>>> Just in case, if you do proceed, make sure they check "preserve
>>>>>> color numbers" since you won't be printing with the profile.
>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
>>>>>> <mark@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
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>>> ÄúOWNE
>>> R” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT  
>>> YAHOO GROUP SHALL
>>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
>>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DA
>>> MAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE L
>>> OSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND  
>>> “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW,
>>> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH D
>>> AMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIG
>>> ITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTER
>>> ATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF
>>> ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) AN
>>> Y OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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>>
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>
> Was anyone discussing transmissive profiles?
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On May 9, 2009, at 12:42 AM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:
> 
> > David, do you guys sell a transmissive spectrophotomete?
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie  
> > <CDTobie@> wrote:
> >>
> >> The "other brand" makes great CreateICC profiles, actually. It's what
> >> Paul Roark uses for all his measuring.
> >>
> >> C. D. Tobie
> >> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> >> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> >> Datacolor.com
> >> CDTobie@
> >>
> >> On May 8, 2009, at 3:06 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mark,
> >>>
> >>> Buy they EyeOne and you can make a soft proof profile in minutes.
> >>> It's the best instrument for my money and you can segue it into
> >>> StudioPrint linearizations if you wish, make RGB and CMYK profiles
> >>> as well as calibrate monitors, etc...  QTR is setup for it to make
> >>> the ICC softproofs and you do not have to fool around with another
> >>> brand which is not as suitable to making the QTR Create-ICCs.
> >>>
> >>> Super easy...
> >>>
> >>> Jon Cone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Terry Ritz
> >>> <t.ritz@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Should you decide to do this after all Mark. . . .   You just need
> >>>> to find a
> >>>> way to get the LAB values out of your spectro for a 21 step wedge.
> >>>> These
> >>>> need to populate a relatively simple text file, which is then used
> >>>> to create
> >>>> the soft proof.
> >>>>
> >>>> For the other poster who felt that ink and paper toning might not
> >>>> represented, they are. With the QTR Create-ICC tools you can make
> >>>> profiles
> >>>> that contain only LAB "L" data, or profiles with LAB "L", "A", and
> >>>> "B" data.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have found the soft proofs to be very useful, at leaset for my  
> >>>> own
> >>>> purposes. I can compare various toned and split toned approaches on
> >>>> screen
> >>>> before I make my print. More recently, Jon Cone's folks sent me
> >>>> soft proofs
> >>>> for his Special Edition inks, one for a six ink version and one for
> >>>> a seven
> >>>> ink version. I could see how the two differed, and compare them
> >>>> with the
> >>>> inkset I had at the time. Of course I followed up by having some
> >>>> real prints
> >>>> made before a purchase, but I learned enough with the soft proofs
> >>>> to keep
> >>>> going.
> >>>>
> >>>> Terry.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 06/05/09 4:48 PM, "Mark Savoia" <mark@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You are always the guy of reason. I don't know why I want to do  
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> either. This always happens when a new client wants to "outfox" me
> >>>>> thinking he has a better way to do it. And you are right, 99% of
> >>>>> clients don't know how to use it anyway, while 99% never need me  
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> make any adjustments to their files, it IS almost perfect. Damn I
> >>>>> hate
> >>>>> when your right!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Although I appreciate the grounding, you can NOT have my DTP-41 :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On May 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I can't help specificallt for the dtp-41, but I'll trade ya my  
> >>>>>> old
> >>>>>> i1 for it and then you have this solved...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You know, I went to great effort to make preview profiles for  
> >>>>>> every
> >>>>>> PTone StudioPrint ink setup I have here, warm, Selenium, splits,
> >>>>>> blends, the whole dealy-bob, thinking I'm supplying a helpful  
> >>>>>> tool
> >>>>>> for my clients to use for file prep.
> >>>>>> No one, not one, that I can recall since I started Custom  
> >>>>>> Digital,
> >>>>>> has requested one, and when I've suggested it, never used one.
> >>>>>> Your StudioPrint output is probably meticulously and beautifully
> >>>>>> linearized, and no doubt matches your working space on the  
> >>>>>> monitor
> >>>>>> just fine given the ability to target a given dot gain "out".
> >>>>>> Soft proof icc based is just not necessary.
> >>>>>> Just in case, if you do proceed, make sure they check "preserve
> >>>>>> color numbers" since you won't be printing with the profile.
> >>>>>> Tyler
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
> >>>>>> <mark@> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
> >>> resources as they are often being updated.
> >>>
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> >>> OSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND  
> >>> “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW,
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> >>> AMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIG
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>
> 
> On May 9, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Jon Cone wrote:
> 
> > I'm in the market for one. I thought to take the direct approach  
> > with you and just ask a simple question whether you sell  
> > transmissive spectros.
> 
> Given that nonsequeter, the answer is: no Datacolor does not sell 0/45  
> transmissive devices, though I've always had an interest in it. It  
> would certainly be possible to build one based on our current product,  
> but the market  for it is so  small, we have never been able to  
> justify it. Besides, for the type of work I have tested this for,  
> doing a reflective profile and editing as needed seems to be about as  
> effective as building a transmissive profile, making it even less  
> justifiable. But thanks for your interest.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Global Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> CDTobie@...
> 
> 
>   ----------
> 
> 
> Datacolor
> www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On May 9, 2009, at 3:08 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...m> wrote:

> You probably meant "non sequitur", similar to the disjointed  
> universal conclusion you made in regard to your testing one for the  
> type of work you do, and my need for one in the type of work I do.  
> Nonetheless, you remind me of young Frankie McCourt during his  
> postal position in Angela's Ashes.
>
> Pending any last word from you on the subject of transmissive  
> spectros or nonsequeter/non sequitur, we can just kill the  
> transmissive spectrophotometer topic-within-a-topic that should have  
> been a new topic and my apologies to the moderator and other readers  
> for my apparent abuse of topic comingling.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie  
> <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On May 9, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Jon Cone wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the market for one. I thought to take the direct approach
>>> with you and just ask a simple question whether you sell
>>> transmissive spectros.
>>
>> Given that nonsequeter, the answer is: no Datacolor does not sell  
>> 0/45
>> transmissive devices, though I've always had an interest in it. It
>> would certainly be possible to build one based on our current  
>> product,
>> but the market  for it is so  small, we have never been able to
>> justify it. Besides, for the type of work I have tested this for,
>> doing a reflective profile and editing as needed seems to be about as
>> effective as building a transmissive profile, making it even less
>> justifiable. But thanks for your interest.
>>
>> C. David Tobie
>> Global Product Technology Manager
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> CDTobie@...
>>
>>
>>  ----------
>>
>>
>> Datacolor
>> www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
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> Jon, please stay on topic, and avoid personal insults.
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
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> On May 9, 2009, at 3:08 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:
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> > You probably meant "non sequitur", similar to the disjointed  
> > universal conclusion you made in regard to your testing one for the  
> > type of work you do, and my need for one in the type of work I do.  
> > Nonetheless, you remind me of young Frankie McCourt during his  
> > postal position in Angela's Ashes.
> >
> > Pending any last word from you on the subject of transmissive  
> > spectros or nonsequeter/non sequitur, we can just kill the  
> > transmissive spectrophotometer topic-within-a-topic that should have  
> > been a new topic and my apologies to the moderator and other readers  
> > for my apparent abuse of topic comingling.
> >
> > Jon
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> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie  
> > <CDTobie@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 9, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Jon Cone wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm in the market for one. I thought to take the direct approach
> >>> with you and just ask a simple question whether you sell
> >>> transmissive spectros.
> >>
> >> Given that nonsequeter, the answer is: no Datacolor does not sell  
> >> 0/45
> >> transmissive devices, though I've always had an interest in it. It
> >> would certainly be possible to build one based on our current  
> >> product,
> >> but the market  for it is so  small, we have never been able to
> >> justify it. Besides, for the type of work I have tested this for,
> >> doing a reflective profile and editing as needed seems to be about as
> >> effective as building a transmissive profile, making it even less
> >> justifiable. But thanks for your interest.
> >>
> >> C. David Tobie
> >> Global Product Technology Manager
> >> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> >> CDTobie@
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