Digital BW, The Print

But don't you have a detail problem?  No print can hold a tenth the detail of film!

I know you can get good scans IF you have a perfect print, but you'd still be losing a lot of detail, no?

Jerry

culturalvisions wrote:

> I don't think we should automatically assume that a negative
> scanner makes a better inkjet print than a flatbed scan from a
> glossy silver print.
>
> See Ralph Gibson's interview in the Feb. Shutterbug for his
> support of flatbed scanning.
>
> My pro scanner friend with a Scitek scanner is always telling me
> to bring him prints rather than negs as he can do a better job
> with them.
>
> My own experience with a Minolta Pro indicates that my little
> Epson flatbed 636 makes better scans from b/w prints than the
> $3000 Minolta can do from the same 6X7 and 645 negatives.
> The negative scanner introduces too much grain aliasing into
> the equation.
>
> Frank
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "dellaellingson"
> <dellaellingson@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks Martin.
> >
> > -Della
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > Della,
> > >
> > > Check out both these sites. Especially the second one as
> this gives some of
> > > the workflow.
> > >
> > > http://www.lenswork.com/index2.html
> > >
> > > http://www.danburkholder.com/
> > >
> > > If you give any of this a try, please share your experiences. I
> would like
> > > to more than just inkjet info on the list.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "dellaellingson" <dellaellingson@y...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Flatbed scanning b&w prints
> > >
> > >
> > > > Martin,
> > > >
> > > > Do you have the web address for Lenswork's Special
> Editions? I am
> > > interested to know more about this.
> > > >
> > > > -Della
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> > > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > > > David,
> > > > >
> > > > > Scanning prints is a legit method of getting your photos
> into digital
> > > form.
> > > > > The "Special Edition" silver fiber prints sold by Lenswork
> are produce
> > > using
> > > > > this method (although I believe they use a drum
> scanner). The selected
> > > > > prints are scanned and the resulting file is output on a
> 3600 dpi image
> > > > > setter to make contact negatives.
> > > > >
> > > > > The results are excellent and I cannot distinguish them
> from an enlarged
> > > > > silver print. I have a Jay Dussard and a Bruce Barnbaum
> print. Excellent
> > > > > prints. Anyone wanting to produce silver prints from their
> digital files
> > > > > should check this out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having said all that I would still recommend that
> scanning the original
> > > > > negatives as the best way to reduce the number of
> reproduction steps,
> > > since
> > > > > there is lose of information each time an image is
> duplicated. The loss,
> > > as
> > > > > you say, may be so small that it is not noticeable. You
> would really
> > > have to
> > > > > do a side-by-side of finished prints produced by both
> methods to know
> > > for
> > > > > sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin Wesley
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <daschkenas@a...>
> > > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Flatbed scanning b&w prints
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > With all of the talk about film scanners, thought I would
> share what
> > > I'm
> > > > > doing.  I've been flatbed scanning b&w prints ,( from the
> past 25 years)
> > > > > with a UMAX Mirage SEII, both 8x10 and 11x14 inch prints
> as it will scan
> > > > > print sizes up to 12 x 17.  I am scanning so that I print at a
> minimum
> > > of
> > > > > 300 dpi.  I'm making mostly 15 inch wide prints, from
> prints done in
> > > various
> > > > > formats thru the years, 35mm, 2,1/4, and 4x5 & 8x10
> contact prints... I
> > > am
> > > > > getting, which I believe, is great quality.  In most cases I
> like the
> > > inkjet
> > > > > print better than the original, and I am a very good wet
> print maker.
> > > > > People are telling me that I am sacrificing quality by
> scanning prints,
> > > but
> > > > > quite frankly I know that should be the case, but I can't
> imagine seeing
> > > any
> > > > > more detail in the print than I am seeing now. ( I sent a
> few prints to
> > > > > Jerry Olson to view and I don't believe that he would have
> known the
> > > prints
> > > > > were done by scanning a print rather than a negative.)
> > > > > > It is much easier for me to access the prints rather than
> search thru
> > > 25
> > > > > years worth of negatives, which is the main reason I'm
> doing it this
> > > way,
> > > > > also, tho because the prints look so darn good.
> > > > > > So for those of you wanting to convert prints that you
> have on hand,
> > > don't
> > > > > overlook flatbed scanning, you don't need that $5000.00
> scanner to
> > > produce
> > > > > great looking work.
> > > > > > I'm printing b&w with a 1280, CIS and MIS 6 color dyes
> on LPM.
> > > > > > David Aschkenas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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