Digital BW, The Print

I don't think we should automatically assume that a negative 
scanner makes a better inkjet print than a flatbed scan from a 
glossy silver print.

See Ralph Gibson's interview in the Feb. Shutterbug for his 
support of flatbed scanning.  

My pro scanner friend with a Scitek scanner is always telling me 
to bring him prints rather than negs as he can do a better job 
with them.

My own experience with a Minolta Pro indicates that my little 
Epson flatbed 636 makes better scans from b/w prints than the 
$3000 Minolta can do from the same 6X7 and 645 negatives.  
The negative scanner introduces too much grain aliasing into 
the equation.

Frank

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "dellaellingson" 
<dellaellingson@y...> wrote:
> Thanks Martin.
> 
> -Della 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > Della,
> > 
> > Check out both these sites. Especially the second one as 
this gives some of
> > the workflow.
> > 
> > http://www.lenswork.com/index2.html
> > 
> > http://www.danburkholder.com/
> > 
> > If you give any of this a try, please share your experiences. I 
would like
> > to more than just inkjet info on the list.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dellaellingson" <dellaellingson@y...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Flatbed scanning b&w prints
> > 
> > 
> > > Martin,
> > >
> > > Do you have the web address for Lenswork's Special 
Editions? I am
> > interested to know more about this.
> > >
> > > -Della
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > > Scanning prints is a legit method of getting your photos 
into digital
> > form.
> > > > The "Special Edition" silver fiber prints sold by Lenswork 
are produce
> > using
> > > > this method (although I believe they use a drum 
scanner). The selected
> > > > prints are scanned and the resulting file is output on a 
3600 dpi image
> > > > setter to make contact negatives.
> > > >
> > > > The results are excellent and I cannot distinguish them 
from an enlarged
> > > > silver print. I have a Jay Dussard and a Bruce Barnbaum 
print. Excellent
> > > > prints. Anyone wanting to produce silver prints from their 
digital files
> > > > should check this out.
> > > >
> > > > Having said all that I would still recommend that 
scanning the original
> > > > negatives as the best way to reduce the number of 
reproduction steps,
> > since
> > > > there is lose of information each time an image is 
duplicated. The loss,
> > as
> > > > you say, may be so small that it is not noticeable. You 
would really
> > have to
> > > > do a side-by-side of finished prints produced by both 
methods to know
> > for
> > > > sure.
> > > >
> > > > Martin Wesley
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <daschkenas@a...>
> > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Flatbed scanning b&w prints
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > With all of the talk about film scanners, thought I would 
share what
> > I'm
> > > > doing.  I've been flatbed scanning b&w prints ,( from the 
past 25 years)
> > > > with a UMAX Mirage SEII, both 8x10 and 11x14 inch prints 
as it will scan
> > > > print sizes up to 12 x 17.  I am scanning so that I print at a 
minimum
> > of
> > > > 300 dpi.  I'm making mostly 15 inch wide prints, from 
prints done in
> > various
> > > > formats thru the years, 35mm, 2,1/4, and 4x5 & 8x10 
contact prints... I
> > am
> > > > getting, which I believe, is great quality.  In most cases I 
like the
> > inkjet
> > > > print better than the original, and I am a very good wet 
print maker.
> > > > People are telling me that I am sacrificing quality by 
scanning prints,
> > but
> > > > quite frankly I know that should be the case, but I can't 
imagine seeing
> > any
> > > > more detail in the print than I am seeing now. ( I sent a 
few prints to
> > > > Jerry Olson to view and I don't believe that he would have 
known the
> > prints
> > > > were done by scanning a print rather than a negative.)
> > > > > It is much easier for me to access the prints rather than 
search thru
> > 25
> > > > years worth of negatives, which is the main reason I'm 
doing it this
> > way,
> > > > also, tho because the prints look so darn good.
> > > > > So for those of you wanting to convert prints that you 
have on hand,
> > don't
> > > > overlook flatbed scanning, you don't need that $5000.00 
scanner to
> > produce
> > > > great looking work.
> > > > > I'm printing b&w with a 1280, CIS and MIS 6 color dyes 
on LPM.
> > > > > David Aschkenas
> > > > >
> > > > >
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