Digital BW, The Print

Gerry,

It is true that I can get great detail out of my 4800 dpi scanner.  
The problem is that I cannot do the, at times, extreme burning 
and dodging that some of my prints need.  In photoshop, I can't 
burn a bright area to dark without introducing too much noise.

Also, a scan from a print can look smoother, more creamy in 
side by side comparisons.  I'm a people photographer so that is 
a plus.  If it is an Andreas Gursky style image, stick with the neg 
scanner.

Frank

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> But don't you have a detail problem?  No print can hold a tenth 
the detail of film!
> 
> I know you can get good scans IF you have a perfect print, but 
you'd still be losing a lot of detail, no?
> 
> Jerry
> 
> culturalvisions wrote:
> 
> > I don't think we should automatically assume that a negative
> > scanner makes a better inkjet print than a flatbed scan from 
a
> > glossy silver print.
> >
> > See Ralph Gibson's interview in the Feb. Shutterbug for his
> > support of flatbed scanning.
> >
> > My pro scanner friend with a Scitek scanner is always telling 
me
> > to bring him prints rather than negs as he can do a better job
> > with them.
> >
> > My own experience with a Minolta Pro indicates that my little
> > Epson flatbed 636 makes better scans from b/w prints than 
the
> > $3000 Minolta can do from the same 6X7 and 645 negatives.
> > The negative scanner introduces too much grain aliasing 
into
> > the equation.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "dellaellingson"
> > <dellaellingson@y...> wrote:
> > > Thanks Martin.
> > >
> > > -Della
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > > Della,
> > > >
> > > > Check out both these sites. Especially the second one as
> > this gives some of
> > > > the workflow.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.lenswork.com/index2.html
> > > >
> > > > http://www.danburkholder.com/
> > > >
> > > > If you give any of this a try, please share your 
experiences. I
> > would like
> > > > to more than just inkjet info on the list.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "dellaellingson" <dellaellingson@y...>
> > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:15 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Flatbed scanning b&w prints
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Martin,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have the web address for Lenswork's Special
> > Editions? I am
> > > > interested to know more about this.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Della
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin 
Wesley"
> > > > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > David,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scanning prints is a legit method of getting your 
photos
> > into digital
> > > > form.
> > > > > > The "Special Edition" silver fiber prints sold by 
Lenswork
> > are produce
> > > > using
> > > > > > this method (although I believe they use a drum
> > scanner). The selected
> > > > > > prints are scanned and the resulting file is output on 
a
> > 3600 dpi image
> > > > > > setter to make contact negatives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The results are excellent and I cannot distinguish 
them
> > from an enlarged
> > > > > > silver print. I have a Jay Dussard and a Bruce 
Barnbaum
> > print. Excellent
> > > > > > prints. Anyone wanting to produce silver prints from 
their
> > digital files
> > > > > > should check this out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Having said all that I would still recommend that
> > scanning the original
> > > > > > negatives as the best way to reduce the number of
> > reproduction steps,
> > > > since
> > > > > > there is lose of information each time an image is
> > duplicated. The loss,
> > > > as
> > > > > > you say, may be so small that it is not noticeable. You
> > would really
> > > > have to
> > > > > > do a side-by-side of finished prints produced by both
> > methods to know
> > > > for
> > > > > > sure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Martin Wesley
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <daschkenas@a...>
> > > > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:30 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Flatbed scanning b&w prints
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > With all of the talk about film scanners, thought I 
would
> > share what
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > doing.  I've been flatbed scanning b&w prints ,( from 
the
> > past 25 years)
> > > > > > with a UMAX Mirage SEII, both 8x10 and 11x14 inch 
prints
> > as it will scan
> > > > > > print sizes up to 12 x 17.  I am scanning so that I print 
at a
> > minimum
> > > > of
> > > > > > 300 dpi.  I'm making mostly 15 inch wide prints, from
> > prints done in
> > > > various
> > > > > > formats thru the years, 35mm, 2,1/4, and 4x5 & 8x10
> > contact prints... I
> > > > am
> > > > > > getting, which I believe, is great quality.  In most 
cases I
> > like the
> > > > inkjet
> > > > > > print better than the original, and I am a very good wet
> > print maker.
> > > > > > People are telling me that I am sacrificing quality by
> > scanning prints,
> > > > but
> > > > > > quite frankly I know that should be the case, but I can't
> > imagine seeing
> > > > any
> > > > > > more detail in the print than I am seeing now. ( I sent 
a
> > few prints to
> > > > > > Jerry Olson to view and I don't believe that he would 
have
> > known the
> > > > prints
> > > > > > were done by scanning a print rather than a negative.)
> > > > > > > It is much easier for me to access the prints rather 
than
> > search thru
> > > > 25
> > > > > > years worth of negatives, which is the main reason 
I'm
> > doing it this
> > > > way,
> > > > > > also, tho because the prints look so darn good.
> > > > > > > So for those of you wanting to convert prints that you
> > have on hand,
> > > > don't
> > > > > > overlook flatbed scanning, you don't need that 
$5000.00
> > scanner to
> > > > produce
> > > > > > great looking work.
> > > > > > > I'm printing b&w with a 1280, CIS and MIS 6 color 
dyes
> > on LPM.
> > > > > > > David Aschkenas
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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