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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicatd B&W printer - is it worth it?

2009-09-03 by Walker Blackwell

1. Much of the dedicated BW is now hex and septone not quadtone. This  
increase in nozzles and over-lap makes environment setups much easier.
2. When using K only through epson the ink is actually brown and you  
can't get the correct hue + not enough nozzles.
3. You are right, HPZs offer a pretty nice grayscale but if you look  
at the detail (compare an 8x10 from an HPZ to an 8x10 from the  
darkroom to 2880 septone from an Epson) you're loosing stuff in the  
tritone print. If you are coming from the darkroom and getting into  
digital, it's actually step down in quality. But K7 is less of a step  
down in resolution and might be a step up in tonal depth. It's a  
different beast, but that's kinda how I look at it.

My whole point is, if you are the type of person who is interested in  
medium format or large format, if you are interested in fine art  
papers, if you are interested in this physicality, then K7 or  
something similar might work very well for your creativity. But it's  
not for everyone. I do a lot of proofs on K3 on 4800s using QTR to  
tell you the truth. It's because my 9600 is a bastard of a printer to  
get sweet at the moment (it's old and needs a new head next week) and  
my 4000 split quad is in Chicago.

Walker


On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:13 PM, andrevallejo wrote:

> Please help me to understand this:
> I can see that dedicated solutions like MIS inks will beat usual OEM  
> solutions easily. But what about this new printers like the Epson  
> 2800 or Hp Z3000 that have the 2 blacks plus 2 grays and use 3 of  
> them to make the prints? (meaning nutral prints only). Since we know  
> only 3 shades are necessary to print smooth BW,why a dedicated  
> printer would do any better?
>
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> Who has experience with the 2880 using MIS empty chipped cartridges  
> and K4 inks? Any significant differences for a dedicated system. And  
> going this way can I print with just the black/gray inks with no  
> color inks being throwed on the paper? I do have ColorByte PrintFix  
> to make the profiles...
> I ask because after many years I'm about to change my 1160/FSN for  
> something new, 13"is enough for me, and I want to print color  
> sometimes... And the choosing is torturing me...(OEM inks are not a  
> choice...)
> Andr�
>
>
> 

Walker Blackwell
802.735.0621
www.walkerblackwell.com
aim: greendirtblues





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