>>But K7 is less of a step down in resolution If you go for a 1.5pl printer (Epson R1900, 1800, 1400) then you get the resolution as well as the tonal depth. I run a couple R1900s and they are fantastic with K7. Only limitation is 13" width. But mounted that's not such a limitation. Mike 2009/9/3 Walker Blackwell <forums@...> > 1. Much of the dedicated BW is now hex and septone not quadtone. This > increase in nozzles and over-lap makes environment setups much easier. > 2. When using K only through epson the ink is actually brown and you > can't get the correct hue + not enough nozzles. > 3. You are right, HPZs offer a pretty nice grayscale but if you look > at the detail (compare an 8x10 from an HPZ to an 8x10 from the > darkroom to 2880 septone from an Epson) you're loosing stuff in the > tritone print. If you are coming from the darkroom and getting into > digital, it's actually step down in quality. But K7 is less of a step > down in resolution and might be a step up in tonal depth. It's a > different beast, but that's kinda how I look at it. > > My whole point is, if you are the type of person who is interested in > medium format or large format, if you are interested in fine art > papers, if you are interested in this physicality, then K7 or > something similar might work very well for your creativity. But it's > not for everyone. I do a lot of proofs on K3 on 4800s using QTR to > tell you the truth. It's because my 9600 is a bastard of a printer to > get sweet at the moment (it's old and needs a new head next week) and > my 4000 split quad is in Chicago. > > Walker > > > On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:13 PM, andrevallejo wrote: > > > Please help me to understand this: > > I can see that dedicated solutions like MIS inks will beat usual OEM > > solutions easily. But what about this new printers like the Epson > > 2800 or Hp Z3000 that have the 2 blacks plus 2 grays and use 3 of > > them to make the prints? (meaning nutral prints only). Since we know > > only 3 shades are necessary to print smooth BW,why a dedicated > > printer would do any better? > > > ' > > > > > > > > Who has experience with the 2880 using MIS empty chipped cartridges > > and K4 inks? Any significant differences for a dedicated system. And > > going this way can I print with just the black/gray inks with no > > color inks being throwed on the paper? I do have ColorByte PrintFix > > to make the profiles... > > I ask because after many years I'm about to change my 1160/FSN for > > something new, 13"is enough for me, and I want to print color > > sometimes... And the choosing is torturing me...(OEM inks are not a > > choice...) > > Andr� > > > > > > > > Walker Blackwell > 802.735.0621 > www.walkerblackwell.com > aim: greendirtblues > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND > �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND > �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dedicatd B&W printer - is it worth it?
2009-09-03 by Michael King
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