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how to fill 3800 cartridges with Piezography Warm-Neutral inks -- HELP

how to fill 3800 cartridges with Piezography Warm-Neutral inks -- HELP

2010-06-09 by ausdlk

I just received a Piezography Warm-Neutral kit for a 3800.

I received the following eight bottles of ink:

PZK7-WN-8oz-1
PZK7-WN-8oz-2
PZK7-WN-8oz-3
PZK7-WN-8oz-4
PZK7-WN-8oz-5
PZK7-WN-8oz-6
PZK7-WN-8oz-7
PZMPS-16oz-GO

Unfortunately, I have nine cartridges to fill. 

I did not receive any instructions on what ink goes in which cartridge -- and worse yet, it looks like I'm missing a bottle.

Anyone have any experience with this ink set and a 3800?

RE: [Digital BW] how to fill 3800 cartridges with Piezography Warm-Neutral inks -- HELP

2010-06-09 by George C Pappas

With your inkset, you will have one cartridge that will contain flush fluid
and effectively be an "unused" ink channel of the printer.  There should be
instructions that show the mapping of inks to cartridges; you should also
have a bottle of "Piezo flush" fluid for the cartridge that goes into the
unused position.  Give Inkjet mall a call if you don't have these.  BTW,
congratulations, it is a beautiful inkset....
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Subject: [Digital BW] how to fill 3800 cartridges with Piezography
Warm-Neutral inks -- HELP

 

  

I just received a Piezography Warm-Neutral kit for a 3800.

I received the following eight bottles of ink:

PZK7-WN-8oz-1
PZK7-WN-8oz-2
PZK7-WN-8oz-3
PZK7-WN-8oz-4
PZK7-WN-8oz-5
PZK7-WN-8oz-6
PZK7-WN-8oz-7
PZMPS-16oz-GO

Unfortunately, I have nine cartridges to fill. 

I did not receive any instructions on what ink goes in which cartridge --
and worse yet, it looks like I'm missing a bottle.

Anyone have any experience with this ink set and a 3800?





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Re: how to fill 3800 cartridges with Piezography Warm-Neutral inks -- HELP

2010-06-09 by piezobw

Sorry! A lot of people think we're a great big company like MIS, but we are actually a very, tiny company of only 6, and we can screw up. You should have received instructions and I am very sorry that you did not. In the meantime - we do have installation instructions online here:

http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/about/technical-support/

and a knowledge base here:

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/sc.15/category.27707/.f

which includes OUR instructions on how to use QTR rather than the QTR method. We do things differently, but probably so as not to confuse other QTR users, Roy does not include our manuals with the download. I make all the K7-2880(medianame) curves in QTR and supply those to Roy for free. They can not be used in the same way as true QTR curves which can be edited, etc.. so please follow our workflow.

You have not been sent the ninth ink...If you intended to print matte/glossy you should have a matte black and our photo black as well as a gloss optimizer rather than a piezoflush.

I can not tell who you are without your name and we are selling quite a few 3800 and 3880 systems recently, so I can not check to see your order.

I am very accessible and you can email techsupport (at) inkjetmall (dot) com sometimes into the wee hours of the night and get a response.  You can also use jon (at) inkjetmall (dot) com and I can check to make sure you are getting what you ordered.

This group here is more related to MIS ink products than Piezography and you will find more answers on the Piezography users list - which usually is quiet as Piezography generally works quite easy and automated and everyone simply prints....  It does make for a boring listserve, but look for answers to your questions here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000

Best regards,

Jon Cone
Piezography
InkjetMall.com




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ausdlk" <ausdlk@...> wrote:
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>
> I just received a Piezography Warm-Neutral kit for a 3800.
> 
> I received the following eight bottles of ink:
> 
> PZK7-WN-8oz-1
> PZK7-WN-8oz-2
> PZK7-WN-8oz-3
> PZK7-WN-8oz-4
> PZK7-WN-8oz-5
> PZK7-WN-8oz-6
> PZK7-WN-8oz-7
> PZMPS-16oz-GO
> 
> Unfortunately, I have nine cartridges to fill. 
> 
> I did not receive any instructions on what ink goes in which cartridge -- and worse yet, it looks like I'm missing a bottle.
> 
> Anyone have any experience with this ink set and a 3800?
>

Re: how to fill 3800 cartridges with Piezography Warm-Neutral inks -- HELP

2010-06-09 by piezobw

I just found you by looking at all the 3800 orders. You're David and you got the custom setup for gloss only. 

Okay to get up and running quickly just put about 2oz of GO in the unused cart. Refer to the shade positions on the tech page I sent you but put shade 1 MPS Black into Photo Black position.

Our glossy method is printing through the curve for your paper - and we set you up for printing on Epson Exhibition Fiber. Then quickly hair dry it and overprint with the GO curve. We have a unique method for printing with the GO. This will eliminate all of the gloss differential so paper white is as glossy as any ink tonality. And you will see that the ink seems to finish developing out after the overprint. The two curves are dependent upon each other for the final effect.

If you have any questions about workflow - contact me. It really is not difficult but it is not something to do on your own.

Sorry again for the screw-up. We shipped this one from here rather than our fulfillment house. They always include instructions...we should have!!!

Best,

Jon



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ausdlk" <ausdlk@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> I just received a Piezography Warm-Neutral kit for a 3800.
> 
> I received the following eight bottles of ink:
> 
> PZK7-WN-8oz-1
> PZK7-WN-8oz-2
> PZK7-WN-8oz-3
> PZK7-WN-8oz-4
> PZK7-WN-8oz-5
> PZK7-WN-8oz-6
> PZK7-WN-8oz-7
> PZMPS-16oz-GO
> 
> Unfortunately, I have nine cartridges to fill. 
> 
> I did not receive any instructions on what ink goes in which cartridge -- and worse yet, it looks like I'm missing a bottle.
> 
> Anyone have any experience with this ink set and a 3800?
>

Re: how to fill 3800 cartridges with Piezography Warm-Neutral inks -- HELP

2010-06-10 by piezobw

Paul,

My understanding was that MIS was acquired from the original owner (Bob). As best as I can recall, that came in conversation with Bob when he told me he no longer operates MIS. But that was several years ago. I further understood that it was moved from his "garage" to a much larger location where it exists today with a larger staff and occupies half this location:

http://www.inksupply.com/building.cfm

To me that looks really big. To others or yourself, it may still be considered to be small...especially in comparison to HP. But, I have always considered MIS to be fortunate to be a large company, like in the way that MediaStreet became a large company. MS I knew more intimately than I do MIS. In any regards, I am intimately familiar with InkjetMall and I could fit it several times over into MIS - hence my remark.

But, it's not a who can be smaller contest, and I don't think you need to feel like you're in the middle of something that does not exist.

And I'm especially regretful that if my saying the "M" word touches off sensitivity issues with you or others on this list. I am truly glad MIS is around. We need choice.


Jon Cone




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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> Jon wrote:
> >
> > ... A lot of people think we're a great big company like MIS, ...
> 
> Did they acquire HP in my absence? 
> 
> (I'm not sure which of our dedicated B&W ink suppliers is smaller.)       
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: how to fill 3800 cartridges with Piezography Warm-Neutral inks -- HELP

2010-06-10 by Paul

Jon,
>
> My understanding was that MIS was acquired from the original owner (Bob).

I don't think it was an acquisition.  Justin Powers is the manager, and Bob Zeiss is mostly retired.  However, he still seems to be involved in policy types of decisions.

> ... it was moved from his "garage" to a much larger location ...

That occurred long ago.  The only time I visited the facilities, it was in the business park, and not fully utilizing the space at all. The main reason they seemed to have so much space was to store their too large list of products. 

While MIS has a huge list of products, during the peak of the dedicated B&W days (i.e., pre-2400), B&W was a major part of the business.  UT2, for example, became their largest single product within about a week of it being introduced.  That suggests to me that at least at that time, a significant part of their total business came from this list.  

Consistent with this was the strangest call I received from Bob one evening.  He had apparently had a bit to much to drink and called me with the question: "What will it take.  Everyone has their price."  He was paranoid that I had some hidden agenda and MIS was getting too dependent on products that were associated with me.  I told him to relax.  I do what I do because I can and enjoy it.  

I also do what I do because for 25 years I worked in antitrust fighting the large companies that were constantly trying to crush small innovators.  (One of those was a small company called Intel.  My, how things change.) 

Bob was a mechanical engineer at the TRW auto parts division.  He ended up being in charge of the Management Information Services division, and that's actually where "MIS" came from.  He was accustomed to answering the phone that way.  I thought it was "Michigan Ink Supply."  No, but I think they ran out at got the rights to that name to stop someone else from doing so.

If Bob had been a serious businessman, I think he would have run MIS much differently.  I think we customers have benefited greatly from having 2 good suppliers.  We've also probably benefited from Bob's casual way of running MIS.  I don't think he ever thought in terms of profit maximization.  When a larger company looked at acquiring MIS the books were what you'd expect of a retirement garage business.  The large company couldn't figure out what was going on.  Bob's main interest was always using his mechanical engineering background to come up with new devices -- CISs, ink loading machines, etc.  He's no MBA type.

At any rate, I hope the field continues to support dedicated B&W inksets. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: how to fill 3800 cartridges with Piezography Warm-Neutral inks -- HELP

2010-06-10 by piezobw

Hey Paul,

In a way this is very reassuring. The two monochromatic ink companies are being run one by a mechanical engineer and the other by an artist. 

If either of the owners had been businessmen, neither would probably  be supplying b&w solutions.

:)

Jon

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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>
> Jon,
> >
> > My understanding was that MIS was acquired from the original owner (Bob).
> 
> I don't think it was an acquisition.  Justin Powers is the manager, and Bob Zeiss is mostly retired.  However, he still seems to be involved in policy types of decisions.
> 
> > ... it was moved from his "garage" to a much larger location ...
> 
> That occurred long ago.  The only time I visited the facilities, it was in the business park, and not fully utilizing the space at all. The main reason they seemed to have so much space was to store their too large list of products. 
> 
> While MIS has a huge list of products, during the peak of the dedicated B&W days (i.e., pre-2400), B&W was a major part of the business.  UT2, for example, became their largest single product within about a week of it being introduced.  That suggests to me that at least at that time, a significant part of their total business came from this list.  
> 
> Consistent with this was the strangest call I received from Bob one evening.  He had apparently had a bit to much to drink and called me with the question: "What will it take.  Everyone has their price."  He was paranoid that I had some hidden agenda and MIS was getting too dependent on products that were associated with me.  I told him to relax.  I do what I do because I can and enjoy it.  
> 
> I also do what I do because for 25 years I worked in antitrust fighting the large companies that were constantly trying to crush small innovators.  (One of those was a small company called Intel.  My, how things change.) 
> 
> Bob was a mechanical engineer at the TRW auto parts division.  He ended up being in charge of the Management Information Services division, and that's actually where "MIS" came from.  He was accustomed to answering the phone that way.  I thought it was "Michigan Ink Supply."  No, but I think they ran out at got the rights to that name to stop someone else from doing so.
> 
> If Bob had been a serious businessman, I think he would have run MIS much differently.  I think we customers have benefited greatly from having 2 good suppliers.  We've also probably benefited from Bob's casual way of running MIS.  I don't think he ever thought in terms of profit maximization.  When a larger company looked at acquiring MIS the books were what you'd expect of a retirement garage business.  The large company couldn't figure out what was going on.  Bob's main interest was always using his mechanical engineering background to come up with new devices -- CISs, ink loading machines, etc.  He's no MBA type.
> 
> At any rate, I hope the field continues to support dedicated B&W inksets. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

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