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2010-07-05 by Alan
Hello, I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. Thanks Alan
2010-07-05 by jvee
David, There are several ways to do this, including using a film recorder to make a negative. I find that printing the digital image at, say, 11" X 14" and then using (very carefully) an excellent copy camera setup will do best. I have a bit of an advantage in that I have available a 4" x 5" and 11" X 14" sheet film view cameras with finest process lenses very useful for this. In fact the larger camera makes a great way to make contact prints for the alternate processes as well as silver. J Vee www.jveegraphics.com jvee.com On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Alan wrote: > Hello, > > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. > > Thanks > > Alan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-05 by martin_wesley1
Alan, What you are looking for is a "film recorder" that transfers digital files/images onto film. Been around for quite awhile. I gave it a try back in the late 90's. Scanned a neg, worked on it in Photoshop, had the file output to 35mm file by a service bureau and then I printed on silver gelatin in my darkroom. The results were very poor. Too many steps. The image is being degraded with each change of medium and in my case did not survive. If I had owned the film recorder and been able to do some calibration the results would have been better but I don't believe that they would have been acceptable. But the tech may have improved in the last decade. If you find something outthere let us know. Thanks, Martin Wesley --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alanj.martin@...> wrote:
> > Hello, > > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. > > Thanks > > Alan >
2010-07-05 by Mark Nelson
Sure, with digital negatives made on your inkjet printer that you then contact print. Works incredibly well ! Mark Nelson www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Alan" <alanj.martin@...> wrote: > Hello, > > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I > would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in > B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format > I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? > I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. > > Thanks > > Alan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-05 by Alan
Well I do have a copy stand and an 6x9 medium format camera along with the negative carrier I would need for the enlarger, not really what I had in mind though. I was hoping maybe someone had invented some material you could stick into a printer, like printing a transparency only much better detail. I have an Epson R1900 printer. Alan --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, jvee <j_vee@...> wrote:
> > David, > > There are several ways to do this, including using a film recorder to make a negative. I find that printing the digital image at, say, 11" X 14" and then using (very carefully) an excellent copy camera setup will do best. I have a bit of an advantage in that I have available a 4" x 5" and 11" X 14" sheet film view cameras with finest process lenses very useful for this. In fact the larger camera makes a great way to make contact prints for the alternate processes as well as silver. J Vee www.jveegraphics.com jvee.com > > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Alan wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. > > > > Thanks > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2010-07-05 by Alan
WoW, never heard of this, can you give me more information, source, experience and such? Alan --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Nelson <Ender100@...> wrote:
> > Sure, with digital negatives made on your inkjet printer that you then > contact print. Works incredibly well ! > > Mark Nelson > www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com > PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups > www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com > > sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Alan" <alanj.martin@...> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I > > would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in > > B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format > > I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? > > I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. > > > > Thanks > > > > Alan > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2010-07-05 by Phil Radlick
Dan Burkholder's book is very helpful on this topic. "Making Digital Negatives for Contact Printing " is the title. Best, Phil WoW, never heard of this, can you give me more information, source, experience and such? Alan --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , Mark Nelson <Ender100@...> wrote: > > Sure, with digital negatives made on your inkjet printer that you then > contact print. Works incredibly well ! > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Alan" <alanj.martin@...> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I > > would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in > > B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format > > I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? > > I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. > > > > Thanks > > > > Alan > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-05 by Alan
Ok, I see, you need to print to a transparency sheet at full 8x10 and then use your contact print setup. I would like to make a 35MM or even a 6x9 size image so I can use the features of my enlarger (filters, F stop setting and such)I bet at that size this method would not yield a decent negative? Any one tried it? Alan --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Radlick" <pradlick@...> wrote:
> > > > Dan Burkholder's book is very helpful on this topic. "Making Digital > Negatives for Contact Printing " is the title. > > > > Best, Phil > > > > > > > > WoW, never heard of this, can you give me more information, source, > experience and such? > > Alan > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , Mark Nelson > <Ender100@> wrote: > > > > Sure, with digital negatives made on your inkjet printer that you then > > contact print. Works incredibly well ! > > > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Alan" <alanj.martin@> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I > > > would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in > > > B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format > > > I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? > > > I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2010-07-05 by Ender100@aol.com
In addition to Dan Burkholder's fine book, I have a book and system for doing this. See: www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com I personally use the PDN system with my own work in Platinum/Palladium and Photopolymer Gravure. I teach a lot of workshops around the country and have done workshops with alt processes such as Gelatin Silver, POP paper, Kallitypes, Cyanotype and others. It's a great way to make hand made prints. Lots of work is being done this way. Mark Nelson www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan <alanj.martin@verizon.net>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital B&W to Traditional B&W
WoW, never heard of this, can you give me more information, source, experience and such?
Alan
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Nelson <Ender100@...> wrote:
>
> Sure, with digital negatives made on your inkjet printer that you then
> contact print. Works incredibly well !
>
> Mark Nelson
> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
> PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
>
> sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy
>
> On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Alan" <alanj.martin@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I
> > would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in
> > B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format
> > I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing?
> > I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-07-05 by C D Tobie
On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Alan wrote: > Ok, I see, you need to print to a transparency sheet at full 8x10 > and then use your contact print setup. I would like to make a 35MM > or even a 6x9 size image so I can use the features of my enlarger > (filters, F stop setting and such)I bet at that size this method > would not yield a decent negative? Any one tried it? Yes, inkjet resolution is not sufficient to print 35mm negs with sufficient resolution, but if you put the neg at the other end of the process (in contact with the paper), then it can work well. C. David Tobie Global Product Technology Manager Digital Imaging & Home Theater CDTobie@... ---------- Datacolor www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-05 by Mark Savoia
It will look like crap. The dot pattern of the inkjet process will be enlarged. You really can only do the contact process at size of neg you make. Unless you are looking for a certain look. The film recorder or LVT output is only real choice for a "conventional" silver based (no large dots) neg from a digital file for use in enlarging. Nobody has seemed to ask you this question "why do you want a neg and not just print the digital file directly via inkjet or light-jet"? Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Alan wrote: > I would like to make a 35MM or even a 6x9 size image so I can use the features of my enlarger (filters, F stop setting and such)I bet at that size this method would not yield a decent negative? Any one tried it?
2010-07-05 by C D Tobie
On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Mark Savoia wrote: > Nobody has seemed to ask you this question "why do you want a neg > and not just print the digital file directly via inkjet or light-jet"? The answer I have always gotten when I ask this is "because I want to still play around with my enlarger and chemical process". Its not an argument that moves me personally, but it seems to be a common feeling among the "chemicals on my hands" crowd. However, their enthusiasm is somewhat dampened when they find its a contact-only process, since that eliminates much of the enlarger functionality. C. David Tobie Global Product Technology Manager Digital Imaging & Home Theater CDTobie@... ---------- Datacolor www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-05 by Ender100@aol.com
There are still many people who value hand made prints and love the beautiful prints that result from the the many alternative processes or historic processes. There is nothing wrong with either an inkjet print or a Platinum Palladium print—they are apples and oranges and each should be judged on its own merit. Many of the great fine art photographers prefer the alternative processes in conjunction with digital negatives. Contact printing does have its advantages. Mark Nelson www.precisiondigitalnegatives.com
-----Original Message-----
From: C D Tobie <CDTobie@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital B&W to Traditional B&W
On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Mark Savoia wrote:
> Nobody has seemed to ask you this question "why do you want a neg
> and not just print the digital file directly via inkjet or light-jet"?
The answer I have always gotten when I ask this is "because I want to
still play around with my enlarger and chemical process". Its not an
argument that moves me personally, but it seems to be a common
feeling among the "chemicals on my hands" crowd. However, their
enthusiasm is somewhat dampened when they find its a contact-only
process, since that eliminates much of the enlarger functionality.
C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...
----------
Datacolor
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-07-05 by Alan
Hi, Well I see someone already answered your question for me! But if you read the first sentence of my O.P. " I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I would like to try this." So you see I knew someone might wonder the same thing as you. There are a lot of artistic things that can be done both during and After the print has been made, things like different kinds of bleaches (farmers reducer for one) Different kinds of toning, hand tinting, different papers, I could go one. So I guess the next question is why do I want to bother with Digital Black and White? Same reasons. Thanks for you reply! Alan --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:
> > It will look like crap. The dot pattern of the inkjet process will be enlarged. You really can only do the contact process at size of neg you make. Unless you are looking for a certain look. > > The film recorder or LVT output is only real choice for a "conventional" silver based (no large dots) neg from a digital file for use in enlarging. > > Nobody has seemed to ask you this question "why do you want a neg and not just print the digital file directly via inkjet or light-jet"? > > Mark > http://www.stillrivereditions.com > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Alan wrote: > > > I would like to make a 35MM or even a 6x9 size image so I can use the features of my enlarger (filters, F stop setting and such)I bet at that size this method would not yield a decent negative? Any one tried it? >
2010-07-05 by Alan
What? I guess all us Black and White folks look alike.... Sorry if my artistic ambitions dont "personally move you" (your words). Thanks for taking the time to reply though. Alan --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
> > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Mark Savoia wrote: > > > Nobody has seemed to ask you this question "why do you want a neg > > and not just print the digital file directly via inkjet or light-jet"? > > The answer I have always gotten when I ask this is "because I want to > still play around with my enlarger and chemical process". Its not an > argument that moves me personally, but it seems to be a common > feeling among the "chemicals on my hands" crowd. However, their > enthusiasm is somewhat dampened when they find its a contact-only > process, since that eliminates much of the enlarger functionality. > > C. David Tobie > Global Product Technology Manager > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > CDTobie@... > > > ---------- > > > > Datacolor > www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2010-07-05 by ann clancy
i have used Mark's system for making digital negatives and then contacted to silver gelation paper. they are lovely and why , because it is just another tool. It is very nice for alternative process as one doesn't have to run around with a LF camera, film holders, etc. ann --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Mark Nelson <Ender100@...> wrote:
From: Mark Nelson <Ender100@...>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital B&W to Traditional B&W
To: "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 1:43 PM
Sure, with digital negatives made on your inkjet printer that you then
contact print. Works incredibly well !
Mark Nelson
www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy
On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Alan" <alanj.martin@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I
> would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in
> B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format
> I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing?
> I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up.
>
> Thanks
>
> Alan
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-07-05 by C D Tobie
On Jul 5, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Alan wrote: > Well I see someone already answered your question for me. Not for you, I figured you'd do that for yourself; for a couple dozen others who I've asked the similar question to. It always comes down to wanting one or another feature of chemical photography in the mix; some classic method, or some classic look. C. David Tobie Global Product Technology Manager Digital Imaging & Home Theater CDTobie@... ---------- Datacolor www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-05 by C D Tobie
On Jul 5, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Alan wrote: > What? I guess all us Black and White folks look alike.... > Sorry if my artistic ambitions dont "personally move you" (your > words). Wouldn't expect them to. What I would hope is that your results personally move me. And I could wish the same for my results and you... even if inkjet isn't your preferred output medium as it is mine. C. David Tobie Global Product Technology Manager Digital Imaging & Home Theater CDTobie@... ---------- Datacolor www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-05 by john
Mark Nelson, How large is it possible to do these inkjet negs for contact printing to silver and platinum? I really want to do some 22"x28" size. I remember years ago the Pictorico Film in the roll sizes had a lot of pin holes that were impossible to deal with. Has the film stock improved recently? john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
> > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Alan wrote: > > > Well I see someone already answered your question for me. > > Not for you, I figured you'd do that for yourself; for a couple dozen > others who I've asked the similar question to. It always comes down to > wanting one or another feature of chemical photography in the mix; > some classic method, or some classic look. > > C. David Tobie > Global Product Technology Manager > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > CDTobie@... > > > ---------- > > > > Datacolor > www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2010-07-05 by Mark Nelson
John, I use roll stock all the time with no problem. Mitsubishi makes the film now. You should be fine. Mark Nelson www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com sent from my iPhonetypeDeviceThingy On Jul 5, 2010, at 6:08 PM, "john" <deanwork2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > Mark Nelson, > > How large is it possible to do these inkjet negs for contact > printing to silver and platinum? I really want to do some 22"x28" > size. > > I remember years ago the Pictorico Film in the roll sizes had a lot > of pin holes that were impossible to deal with. Has the film stock > improved recently? > > john > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie > <CDTobie@...> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Alan wrote: > > > > > Well I see someone already answered your question for me. > > > > Not for you, I figured you'd do that for yourself; for a couple > dozen > > others who I've asked the similar question to. It always comes > down to > > wanting one or another feature of chemical photography in the mix; > > some classic method, or some classic look. > > > > C. David Tobie > > Global Product Technology Manager > > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > > CDTobie@... > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > Datacolor > > www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-06 by Mantinieri
Hello Alan, there are a couple of thinks that I am missing in this story: 1) what's wrong with using your enlarger to contact print digital negatives? I have never seen the results, but, in principle, it should be better than enlarging from 35mm film as you are skipping one step in the process (the enlargement through an extra lens). The flexibility of developing the paper with the process you prefer is preserved anyhow; 2) if you insist with enlarging from a 35mm film, why dont you get a film camera from e-bay and shot cheap film from freestyle? Then, you can use the frame with your enlarger or scan it. I have seen Nikon F90x won for 25$, cheaper than Pictorico paper. If yo have a wet darkroom for developing paper, developing film would be a breeze. Ciao, Mantinieri http://www.mantinieri.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alanj.martin@...> wrote:
> > Hello, > > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. > > Thanks > > Alan >
2010-07-06 by Alan
I have a Nikon N90S (same as the F) A Ventura Deluxe 66, that is a medium format 6x6 folding camera that has been restored , including brand new baffle and an assortment of Pentax K1000's. I use these exclusively for B&W using mostly Kodak TMAX100 film. I usually develop the negatives my self using TMAX developer chemicals. I print on mostly Ilford paper, but I do like to experiment with others. I have a complete dark room setup built around a Beseler 23CII XL enlarger. So I am all set on that end! I am definitely going to give the contact idea a try. I do make contact prints of my negatives before printing so i know how to do it for that application. I wanted to go all the way back to the negative stage so i could use the various filters, better control the light source and such, maybe this is not a good idea, Im just looking for new ways to make artistic prints. You seem to be asking why i dont just skip the digital part all together and do it all in my darkroom? I refer you to the first sentence of my OP. "I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I would like to try this." Thanks! Alan --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mantinieri" <mantinieri@...> wrote:
> > Hello Alan, > > there are a couple of thinks that I am missing in this story: > 1) what's wrong with using your enlarger to contact print digital negatives? I have never seen the results, but, in principle, it should be better than enlarging from 35mm film as you are skipping one step in the process (the enlargement through an extra lens). The flexibility of developing the paper with the process you prefer is preserved anyhow; > > 2) if you insist with enlarging from a 35mm film, why dont you get a film camera from e-bay and shot cheap film from freestyle? Then, you can use the frame with your enlarger or scan it. I have seen Nikon F90x won for 25$, cheaper than Pictorico paper. If yo have a wet darkroom for developing paper, developing film would be a breeze. > > Ciao, > > Mantinieri > > http://www.mantinieri.com > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alanj.martin@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I know this will sound strange but it is out of artistic curiosity I would like to try this. Is there any method of getting a scanned in B&W negative image that has been Photo shopped back into some format I could put in an enlarger and print using traditional wet printing? I have a Beseler 23CII enlarger and B&W darkroon set up. > > > > Thanks > > > > Alan > > >
2010-07-06 by tboleyyh
seems like the perfect solution for you John- http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10053-10768 Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> > Mark Nelson, > > How large is it possible to do these inkjet negs for contact printing to silver and platinum? I really want to do some 22"x28" size. > > I remember years ago the Pictorico Film in the roll sizes had a lot of pin holes that were impossible to deal with. Has the film stock improved recently? > > john > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Alan wrote: > > > > > Well I see someone already answered your question for me. > > > > Not for you, I figured you'd do that for yourself; for a couple dozen > > others who I've asked the similar question to. It always comes down to > > wanting one or another feature of chemical photography in the mix; > > some classic method, or some classic look. > > > > C. David Tobie > > Global Product Technology Manager > > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > > CDTobie@ > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > Datacolor > > www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2010-07-07 by Clayton Price
Here's what I used to do back in the '90's: Scanned black & white ( color transparencies, too), did the digital retouching/ altering/ fixing, then had them output usually as 4X5 film negatives. Photos that were filled with scratches, and needing contrast/ density adjustments, could be fixed and printed in silver - corrected, alternative processes, or whatever experimental things one would like to try. There are several labs in the NY/Boston area that still do this, and I'd guess a number of others around the country as well. Hope this helps. Clay Price >>>>seems like the perfect solution for you John- http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10053-10768 Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote: > > Mark Nelson, > > How large is it possible to do these inkjet negs for contact printing to silver and platinum? I really want to do some 22"x28" size. > > I remember years ago the Pictorico Film in the roll sizes had a lot of pin holes that were impossible to deal with. Has the film stock improved recently? > > john > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 5, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Alan wrote: > > > > > Well I see someone already answered your question for me. > > > > Not for you, I figured you'd do that for yourself; for a couple dozen > > others who I've asked the similar question to. It always comes down to > > wanting one or another feature of chemical photography in the mix; > > some classic method, or some classic look.>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-07 by John Forney
dr5.com still provides this (film recording) service ________________________________
From: Clayton Price <clay@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:57:46 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W
Here's what I used to do back in the '90's: Scanned black & white
( color transparencies, too), did the digital retouching/ altering/
fixing, then
had them output usually as 4X5 film negatives. Photos that were
filled with scratches, and needing contrast/ density adjustments,
could be fixed and printed
in silver - corrected, alternative processes, or whatever
experimental things one would like to try.
There are several labs in the NY/Boston area that still do this, and
I'd guess a number of others around the country as well.
Hope this helps.
Clay Price
>>>>seems like the perfect solution for you John-
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10053-10768
Tyler
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john"
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>
> Mark Nelson,
>
> How large is it possible to do these inkjet negs for contact
printing to silver and platinum? I really want to do some 22"x28" size.
>
> I remember years ago the Pictorico Film in the roll sizes had a
lot of pin holes that were impossible to deal with. Has the film
stock improved recently?
>
> john
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie
<CDTobie@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Jul 5, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Alan wrote:
> >
> > > Well I see someone already answered your question for me.
> >
> > Not for you, I figured you'd do that for yourself; for a couple
dozen
> > others who I've asked the similar question to. It always comes
down to
> > wanting one or another feature of chemical photography in the mix;
> > some classic method, or some classic look.>>>>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-07-07 by meeshieck
Hi guys, I've been following this subject as the whole idea has great appeal for me, god knows why... anyway, can you please tell me what substrate would one use to print the digital neg? thanks, m.
2010-07-07 by ann clancy
pictorio white film --- On Wed, 7/7/10, meeshieck <michal@bookandart.pl> wrote:
From: meeshieck <michal@...>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:35 PM
Hi guys,
I've been following this subject as the whole idea has great appeal for me, god knows why...
anyway, can you please tell me what substrate would one use to print the digital neg?
thanks,
m.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-07-07 by C D Tobie
On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:35 PM, meeshieck wrote: > I've been following this subject as the whole idea has great appeal > for me, god knows why... > > anyway, can you please tell me what substrate would one use to print > the digital neg? I don't think its possible to explain each step in sufficient detail on a list. You are probably best off starting from the book already mentioned. C. David Tobie Global Product Technology Manager Digital Imaging & Home Theater CDTobie@... ---------- Datacolor www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-08 by E.Neilsen
Even the clear works fine as the white really slows the exposure quite a bit. On some exposures , I've used a Rosco gel on my contact glass to add a touch of diffusion. Eric Neilsen Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 www.ericneilsenphotography.com skype me with ejprinter www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1 Let's Talk Photography _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ann clancy Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:47 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W pictorio white film --- On Wed, 7/7/10, meeshieck <michal@... <mailto:michal%40bookandart.pl> > wrote: From: meeshieck <michal@... <mailto:michal%40bookandart.pl> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:35 PM Hi guys, I've been following this subject as the whole idea has great appeal for me, god knows why... anyway, can you please tell me what substrate would one use to print the digital neg? thanks, m. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-08 by john
Hey Eric, How is the tonal linearity of this film when contacting on silver paper? You do any of that? john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "E.Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
> > Even the clear works fine as the white really slows the exposure quite a > bit. On some exposures , I've used a Rosco gel on my contact glass to add a > touch of diffusion. > > > > Eric Neilsen > > Eric Neilsen Photography > > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 > > Dallas, TX 75226 > > > > www.ericneilsenphotography.com > > skype me with ejprinter > > www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1 > > Let's Talk Photography > > > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ann > clancy > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:47 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W > > > > > > pictorio white film > > > --- On Wed, 7/7/10, meeshieck <michal@... > <mailto:michal%40bookandart.pl> > wrote: > > From: meeshieck <michal@... <mailto:michal%40bookandart.pl> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:35 PM > > > > Hi guys, > > I've been following this subject as the whole idea has great appeal for me, > god knows why... > > anyway, can you please tell me what substrate would one use to print the > digital neg? > > thanks, > m. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2010-07-08 by E.Neilsen
John, I decided a while back to just see how things would work. I grabbed a file that was being prepared for platinum printing. I use a look like pyro for my negs; the yellow brown pyro not green pyro. I also learned a while back that we can waste a life time plotting and testing so, feeling it was right I took some Ilford MG IV and made some prints. Also some graded paper from Cachet that was still kicking around my darkroom. These were shown at several photo events, PPE , WPPI in Las Vegas. I never ran complete test, because to be quite honest, I don't beat myself silly with silver gelatin density tests. They looked great. I had no trouble printing them. It has been very consistent, negs that work well for platinum, with my colorized curve, work well for my silver gelatin with very little fuss. Eric Neilsen Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 www.ericneilsenphotography.com skype me with ejprinter www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1 Let's Talk Photography _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:10 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W Hey Eric, How is the tonal linearity of this film when contacting on silver paper? You do any of that? john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "E.Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > Even the clear works fine as the white really slows the exposure quite a > bit. On some exposures , I've used a Rosco gel on my contact glass to add a > touch of diffusion. > > > > Eric Neilsen > > Eric Neilsen Photography > > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 > > Dallas, TX 75226 > > > > www.ericneilsenphotography.com > > skype me with ejprinter > > www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1 > > Let's Talk Photography > > > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of ann > clancy > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:47 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W > > > > > > pictorio white film > > > --- On Wed, 7/7/10, meeshieck <michal@... > <mailto:michal%40bookandart.pl> > wrote: > > From: meeshieck <michal@... <mailto:michal%40bookandart.pl> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:35 PM > > > > Hi guys, > > I've been following this subject as the whole idea has great appeal for me, > god knows why... > > anyway, can you please tell me what substrate would one use to print the > digital neg? > > thanks, > m. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-07-08 by Ender100@aol.com
I like the Pictorico Ultra OHP film.
-----Original Message-----
From: E.Neilsen <e.neilsen2@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:11 pm
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W
Even the clear works fine as the white really slows the exposure quite a
bit. On some exposures , I've used a Rosco gel on my contact glass to add a
touch of diffusion.
Eric Neilsen
Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
www.ericneilsenphotography.com
skype me with ejprinter
www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1
Let's Talk Photography
_____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ann
clancy
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:47 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W
pictorio white film
--- On Wed, 7/7/10, meeshieck <michal@...
<mailto:michal%40bookandart.pl>; > wrote:
From: meeshieck <michal@... <mailto:michal%40bookandart.pl>; >
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W to Traditional B&W
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>;
Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:35 PM
Hi guys,
I've been following this subject as the whole idea has great appeal for me,
god knows why...
anyway, can you please tell me what substrate would one use to print the
digital neg?
thanks,
m.
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