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7600 With B&W Inkset?

7600 With B&W Inkset?

2010-07-12 by photog0946

HELLO ALL,

I have two 7600 printers sitting here in excellent condition, not getting much use since the 9900 came onboard. I've been thinking of putting the MK7600 into service as a dedicated B&W printer to do some of my own work and also offer that service to my customers. The purpose of this post is to get some information that will hopefully lead me in the right direction with this conversion. It would seem that Paul Roark is now in favor of a 100% Carbon system, although I'm not sure that is available for the 7600. Also, I have quite an array of used carts and would like to know if it's possible to successfully flush and reuse them for the B&W inkset. I believe that has been done, but it's been a while since I researched that possibility. Any information that could be passed along would be very much appreciated. If I do decide to take this route it would be helpful to set forth on the right track. 

Thanks in advance.
Gary

Re: 7600 With B&W Inkset?

2010-07-12 by Paul

"photog0946" <photog0946@...> wrote:

> ... thinking of putting the MK7600 into service as a dedicated B&W printer ...
> It would seem that Paul Roark is now in favor of a 100% Carbon system, although I'm not sure that is available for the 7600.

I have used Eboni/Carbon-6 in a 7500 and 7800.  You have to load the carts yourself, but the approach works very well in the K2 printers.

For information on these inksets, see 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf, 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf, and 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Carbon-6.pdf

My current setup has some warm glossy carbon in it also.  This is to allow me to print a sepia tone on (most likely) Crane Museo Silver Rag.  
See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Carbon-BW-2010.pdf (which also covers the 1400).

> Also, I have quite an array of used carts and would like to know if it's possible to successfully flush and reuse them for the B&W inkset.

Yes.  I use distilled water and then the generic base described at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf.  A small amount of the intended ink is also used as a final rinse to minimize any dilution of the final inks.  I use a syringe with a modified MIS bottom fill adapter to open the Epson cart valves.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Modified-Bottom-Fill-Adapter.pdf  

(Note that the 7800 carts are different, having a backflow valve in them.  For the 7800 I simply bought MIS empty carts, which are easily refillable.)

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: 7600 With B&W Inkset?

2010-07-12 by photog0946

Thank you very much Paul. I've been on your site a number of times and immediately following my post I checked there again. I did find some more pertinent information, but your reply has been very helpful as well. I was concerned that the 7600 might be too outdated to run this sort of B&W setup, but your response has shown that not to be the case. I'm sure I'll have more questions once I start the procedure, so be prepared for the barrage.

Thanks again,
Gary



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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> "photog0946" <photog0946@> wrote:
> 
> > ... thinking of putting the MK7600 into service as a dedicated B&W printer ...
> > It would seem that Paul Roark is now in favor of a 100% Carbon system, although I'm not sure that is available for the 7600.
> 
> I have used Eboni/Carbon-6 in a 7500 and 7800.  You have to load the carts yourself, but the approach works very well in the K2 printers.
> 
> For information on these inksets, see 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf, 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf, and 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Carbon-6.pdf
> 
> My current setup has some warm glossy carbon in it also.  This is to allow me to print a sepia tone on (most likely) Crane Museo Silver Rag.  
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Carbon-BW-2010.pdf (which also covers the 1400).
> 
> > Also, I have quite an array of used carts and would like to know if it's possible to successfully flush and reuse them for the B&W inkset.
> 
> Yes.  I use distilled water and then the generic base described at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf.  A small amount of the intended ink is also used as a final rinse to minimize any dilution of the final inks.  I use a syringe with a modified MIS bottom fill adapter to open the Epson cart valves.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Modified-Bottom-Fill-Adapter.pdf  
> 
> (Note that the 7800 carts are different, having a backflow valve in them.  For the 7800 I simply bought MIS empty carts, which are easily refillable.)
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: 7600 With B&W Inkset?

2010-07-13 by photog0946

Paul,
 
Sorry to be a pain, but could you direct me to, in your opinion, the  best inkset for the 7600 specifically. I have both the PK and MK printers, so I may relegate them both to BW. I understand the "settling" issue and the cart agitation procedure, but what about the ink in the lines and the dampers and print head. Would it be wise to run a few cleaning cycles in order to be sure of the consistency of the ink before starting a printing session?

Gary 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "photog0946" <photog0946@...> wrote:
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> Thank you very much Paul. I've been on your site a number of times and immediately following my post I checked there again. I did find some more pertinent information, but your reply has been very helpful as well. I was concerned that the 7600 might be too outdated to run this sort of B&W setup, but your response has shown that not to be the case. I'm sure I'll have more questions once I start the procedure, so be prepared for the barrage.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@> wrote:
> >
> > "photog0946" <photog0946@> wrote:
> > 
> > > ... thinking of putting the MK7600 into service as a dedicated B&W printer ...
> > > It would seem that Paul Roark is now in favor of a 100% Carbon system, although I'm not sure that is available for the 7600.
> > 
> > I have used Eboni/Carbon-6 in a 7500 and 7800.  You have to load the carts yourself, but the approach works very well in the K2 printers.
> > 
> > For information on these inksets, see 
> > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf, 
> > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf, and 
> > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Carbon-6.pdf
> > 
> > My current setup has some warm glossy carbon in it also.  This is to allow me to print a sepia tone on (most likely) Crane Museo Silver Rag.  
> > See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Carbon-BW-2010.pdf (which also covers the 1400).
> > 
> > > Also, I have quite an array of used carts and would like to know if it's possible to successfully flush and reuse them for the B&W inkset.
> > 
> > Yes.  I use distilled water and then the generic base described at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf.  A small amount of the intended ink is also used as a final rinse to minimize any dilution of the final inks.  I use a syringe with a modified MIS bottom fill adapter to open the Epson cart valves.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Modified-Bottom-Fill-Adapter.pdf  
> > 
> > (Note that the 7800 carts are different, having a backflow valve in them.  For the 7800 I simply bought MIS empty carts, which are easily refillable.)
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
>

Re: 7600 With B&W Inkset?

2010-07-13 by Paul

"photog0946" <photog0946@...> wrote:

> Paul,... could you direct me to, in your opinion, the  best inkset for the 7600 specifically.

"Best," of course, differs for different uses and subjective criteria.  

> I have both the PK and MK printers, so I may relegate them both to BW.

I prefer to have at least 5 Eboni/Carbon-6 channels.  Frankly, I even prefer only a single ink type in the entire printer (but I'm limited in space and other variables).

I currently have 5 Carbon-6 and 3 MIS warm glossy inks (PK, LK, & LLK) in my 7800.  See page 4 of the PDF that explains what I'm using currently, posted at  
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Carbon-BW-2010.pdf

(The 1400 setup is what went to the workshop this summer.)

The only reason for the MIS warm glossy inks is to print a "sepia tone" (Lab B about 14) I need for a special museum exhibit of historic old photos.  

In my 1400, in fact, I'm probably going to pull the MIS LK and go back to just Eboni-6 (which MIS sells pre-loaded for the 1400) and the HP PK, which I use for gallery brochures. This is what I called "Eboni-1400" and wrote up at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf (which was the PDF used last year at the GT workshop).



> I understand the "settling" issue and the cart agitation procedure, but what about the ink in the lines and the dampers and print head.

I would expect some settling in the heads and dampers, but the inks seem to get enough agitation soon enough that the problem has not appeared to be an overly significant factor in my printing.  

To quantify the extent of variation in print densities caused by an idle printer with Carbon-6 installed, I let my 7800 sit still, unused for 5 weeks.  Then I agitated the carts, turned on the printer, and printed a 21-Step test print on Arches Hot Press, using a profile that I had linearized in QTR prior to the 5-week period.  The QTR Lab L should be a straight line, and it was not perfectly straight in this test after a 5 week idle period.  However, compared to the other variables I've seen affecting profiles, the among of drift in 5 weeks did not strike me as excessive. 

I've posted the test print Lab L graph here:   
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Carb6-7800-5week-QTR.jpg


> Would it be wise to run a few cleaning cycles in order to be sure of the consistency of the ink before starting a printing session?

I'm not sure.  

My procedure has been to agitate the carts before turning on the printer.  Then when the printer is turned on, if it has sat for a while it'll ask me if I want to do a power cleaning.  I think this type of cleaning refreshes the inks in the tubes and is probably in the printer firmware to deal with the very issue we're talking about.  However, I say "No" and just go on with my printing.  As a practical matter I'll almost certainly do some tests and small prints before I do a major one.  So, the tubes and dampers are getting agitated.    

That said, with Carbon-6 the cost of the ink is such that a cleaning might be a cost effective way to keep the system more stable.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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